Umpire Gone Way Wrong

[CT1]

The correct response to any physical contact is to step away & dump the rat ASAP.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CT1

The correct response to any physical contact is to step away & dump the rat ASAP.

The rat had already been dumped.

[bluehair]

Apparently baseball umpires are treated a bit differently in the far east.

evident here and more videos here

I hear that the coach from the OP has a history of getting physical with umpires including punching at least one (3rd hand knowledge). If true, and given this "different" game, how can anyone blame BK from preventing a second assault (he didn't choke him, he only held him off by the neck). You can't judge this incident with USA baseball expectations...I'd buy him a beer.

[jicecone]

What is your point here Manny? Slow Forum day?

We ALL, have done things we regret later as a result of a reflex reaction to a provocation. That's called life.

There is SO many things wrong on the player, coach and umpire levels with this video yet, you only question the actions of the umpire.

[JRutledge]

It would take everything in my soul not to punch this guy in his eye. That does not mean I would actually do that, but it would certainly cross my mind. I have seen other incidents over in that part of the world that were similar or worse. I know I would have reacted similarily. At some point things stop being about the uniform you wear.

Peace

[Adam]

It's easier to back off when you know you'll be backed by the organization, and law enforcement if necessary. Otherwise, you feel the need to protect yourself.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It would take everything in my soul not to punch this guy in his eye. That does not mean I would actually do that, but it would certainly cross my mind. I have seen other incidents over in that part of the world that were similar or worse. I know I would have reacted similarily. At some point things stop being about the uniform you wear.

Peace

Being Professional yet not overly confrontational is a fine line that can bend at any given game.Having said that, you always have the right to protect yourself.

[Dave Reed]

Good article on the incident and its aftermath

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by jicecone

There is SO many things wrong on the player, coach and umpire levels with this video yet, you only question the actions of the umpire.

Sorry, was on travel this week.

I question the umpire's actions because he must adhere to a higher standard.

This manager chest-bumped him. He didn't cock back his fist or head-butt him. And he did this after the umpire turned his back to him and vocally said, "I'm turning my back," in obvious defiance. You honestly don't have a problem with the umpire grabbing the manager by the throat in response?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Sorry, was on travel this week.

I question the umpire's actions because he must adhere to a higher standard.

This manager chest-bumped him. He didn't cock back his fist or head-butt him. And he did this after the umpire turned his back to him and vocally said, "I'm turning my back," in obvious defiance. You honestly don't have a problem with the umpire grabbing the manager by the throat in response?

He did not say he didn't have a problem ... he just implied he had equal problems with everyone else here too.

PS - this happened in China, where apparently this is not as uncommon as we think.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by Manny A

He didn't cock back his fist ...

Not this time, but this guy has punched an umpire before (apparently common knowledge). This umpire wasn't going to let it happen to him. Should he have waited for a sucker-punch? Damned if you do (hold him off by the neck), damned if you don't (and get bitch-slapped by this AH).

Originally Posted by Manny A

And he did this after the umpire turned his back to him and vocally said, "I'm turning my back," in obvious defiance.

I don't think PU wasn't being defiant. I think he was trying to communicate the best that he could (given the language barrier) that a manager is not supposed to be arguing balk calls. Over here arguing a balk call is asking for an EJ. "I'm turning my back" is body language (though also misinterpreted at times) meaning we're done here, you need to go. The manager asked for an explanation of the call. PU obliged him with a brief one. Then again tried to communicate not to be arguing balk calls...we're done here. But apparently some of the baseball protocol that we follow is not done so much in the far east.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by bluehair

Not this time, but this guy has punched an umpire before (apparently common knowledge). This umpire wasn't going to let it happen to him. Should he have waited for a sucker-punch? Damned if you do (hold him off by the neck), damned if you don't (and get bitch-slapped by this AH).

Well, there are more appropriate ways for someone to fend off a potential opponent, IMHO. A hand to the chest is better than a choke-hold to the throat.

Even he himself, in the article that Dave Reed linked, said that what he did was unprofessional and not handled correctly. With that, I do agree.