Miami / St.Louis.....not a force at third

[Rich Ives]

The announcers were right - the tag on the BR was made with an empty glove. Therefore the batter wasn't out at the plate. There may have been a verbal by U1 that overrode the out signal.

[jicecone]

PU points fair ball (Correct) and then signals out on tag by catcher. (Well what he thought was a tag and what the stupid announcer thought was interference).

The base umpires reacted to instantaneous plays and should not be subjected to critical evaluations by a 11u umpire. Maybe next year when you do 12 yr olds.

Sooo, it should have ended up with runners at 2nd and 3rd and one out, but somehow the either the PU was able to convince the HC that the right call was made or the HC figured his team wasn't getting out of the basement anyway and figured he could get to the local pub earlier.

[Multiple Sports]

How about in 7 years when I get 18 yr old games ?????

All the 12u were taken otherwise I would have got them !!!!!

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

How about in 7 years when I get 18 yr old games ?????

All the 12u were taken otherwise I would have got them !!!!!

Deal!

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

The announcers were right - the tag on the BR was made with an empty glove. Therefore the batter wasn't out at the plate. There may have been a verbal by U1 that overrode the out signal.

U1 can verbally override PU/crew chief's out call during a live ball play? How do you figure?

B was out on the play at the plate (it looked to me that F2 initially had an empty glove on B, but then his right hand (with the ball) pushed onto the glove while the glove was still contacting B...but hard to tell).

CCS says that R2 was ruled out for abandonment...go figure.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by bluehair

B was out on the play at the plate (it looked to me that F2 initially had an empty glove on B, but then his right hand (with the ball) pushed onto the glove while the glove was still contacting B...but hard to tell).

Even if you saw it correctly the B/R would not be out.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Even if you saw it correctly the B/R would not be out.

F2 has ball in rt hand inside of glove and tags R = out.
F2 has ball in rt hand contacting outside of glove and tags R, I still have an out.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by bluehair

F2 has ball in rt hand inside of glove and tags R = out.
F2 has ball in rt hand contacting outside of glove and tags R, I still have an out.

There is no "electricity" on the tag of a runner. The ball must be securely held by the hand or glove that tags the runner.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

There is no "electricity" on the tag of a runner. The ball must be securely held by the hand or glove that tags the runner.

So, F2 has ball in rt hand inside of glove then tags R with glove is not out? Good luck with that....good luck with either no tag call.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by bluehair

So, F2 has ball in rt hand inside of glove then tags R with glove is not out? Good luck with that....good luck with either no tag call.

That is an out. This is what you described in an earlier post:

" it looked to me that F2 initially had an empty glove on B, but then his right hand (with the ball) pushed onto the glove while the glove was still contacting B.."

That is not a tag.

[CT1]

Let's assume U3 realizes that B1 is out and makes no call because F5 doesn't attempt to tag R2. It's apparent that R2, believing he was out on a force, would still have headed for his dugout. Thus, he's now out for abandonment.

Right result, wrong mechanics.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

There is no "electricity" on the tag of a runner. The ball must be securely held by the hand or glove that tags the runner.

The last time "electricity" counted was in baserunners or tag in my neighbors backyard about 39.years ago......

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bluehair

F2 has ball in rt hand inside of glove and tags R = out.
F2 has ball in rt hand contacting outside of glove and tags R, I still have an out.

Wow... I sure hope not.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Wow... I sure hope not.

When I'm taking a rules test or playing rules gotcha with internet umpires, no.
When I'm talking practicality and I see a two-handed tag like in this play, you betcha.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bluehair

When I'm taking a rules test or playing rules gotcha with internet umpires, no.
When I'm talking practicality and I see a two-handed tag like in this play, you betcha.

That's really too bad. Making an incorrect call on purpose solely because no one else would notice doesn't make it any less incorrect. If it's wrong on a rules test, it's wrong on the field.