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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 02:36pm
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I have a dead ball strike. Batter stepped out of the box without being granted time. Exactly what I am saying to the OHC if he asks or complains.
I guess that fulfills your moniker! You need more patience here.

A) Batter did not step out of the box...
B) Batter did not delay the game (the pitcher pitched anyway).

You do not (or should not) have a dead ball strike in this situation.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 02:44pm
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I sure hope someone from the FED is reading this and will finally get around to changing 6-2-4.

They changed 7-3-1 maybe 10 years ago now to add "and delays the game" but didn't make the corresponding change in 6-2-4. They did come out with some "memo" (I forget the exact format) that indicated it would be changed, but here we sit...
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 02:51pm
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2011 BRD had this as a strike no matter where the pitch was delivered. I think FED might have removed some confusing caseplays in the interim.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 04:14pm
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I sure hope someone from the FED is reading this and will finally get around to changing 6-2-4.

They changed 7-3-1 maybe 10 years ago now to add "and delays the game" but didn't make the corresponding change in 6-2-4. They did come out with some "memo" (I forget the exact format) that indicated it would be changed, but here we sit...
Bob thanks for the historical information on this. I may bring this up to our state interpreter and see if he wants to nominate the change.

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2011 BRD had this as a strike no matter where the pitch was delivered. I think FED might have removed some confusing caseplays in the interim.
I'm using the 2012 & 2013 BRD and it states the same thing.

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I don't know how Chris handled this situation but I'll be interested to see how he did.

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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 03:38pm
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I guess that fulfills your moniker! You need more patience here.

A) Batter did not step out of the box...
B) Batter did not delay the game (the pitcher pitched anyway).

You do not (or should not) have a dead ball strike in this situation.
I may be impatient but I still have a dead ball strike. The batter did step out with one foot and by rule if the pitcher completes the pitch legally, the pitch is called a strike. If a batter is touched by a pitch, the ball is dead, hence the dead ball strike. That's what I like about you and Rita C, you are teaching me through disagreement.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 03:44pm
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Was the batter allowed/permitted to leave the box?

My question is was the batter allowed or entitled to leave the box after the previous pitch?
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 03:55pm
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My question is was the batter allowed or entitled to leave the box after the previous pitch?
From OBR Rules:
(1) The batter shall keep at least one foot in the batter’s box throughout the
batter’s time at bat, unless one of the following exceptions applies, in which
case the batter may leave the batter’s box but not the dirt area surrounding
home plate:
(i) The batter swings at a pitch;
(ii) The batter is forced out of the batter’s box by a pitch;
(iii) A member of either team requests and is granted “Time”;
(iv) A defensive player attempts a play on a runner at any base;
(v) The batter feints a bunt;
(vi) A wild pitch or passed ball occurs;
(vii) The pitcher leaves the dirt area of the pitching mound after receiving
the ball; or
(viii)The catcher leaves the catcher’s box to give defensive signals.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 03:56pm
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My question is was the batter allowed or entitled to leave the box after the previous pitch?
The batter did not leave the box. By rule, the batter must exit the box with both feet to have left the box.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 03:59pm
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The batter did step out with one foot
Exactly. With one foot.
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by rule if the pitcher completes the pitch legally, the pitch is called a strike.
Read the rule again. Specifically, look for the words, "with both feet".
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 04:46pm
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Exactly. With one foot.Read the rule again. Specifically, look for the words, "with both feet".
MD,
If the batter steps out with both feet and the pitchers fails deliver the pitch, a strike is called on the batter.

1. If the pitcher, with a runner on base, stops or hesitates in his delivery because the batter steps out of the box (a) with one foot or (b) with both feet or (c) holds up his hand to request "Time," it shall not be a balk. In (a) and (c), there is no penalty on either the batter or the pitcher. The umpire shall call "Time" and begin play anew. In (b), a strike shall be called on the batter for violation of 7-3-1. In (a), (b) and (c), if the pitcher *legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live. Thus, two strikes are called on the batter in (b). If the umpire judges the batter's action to be a deliberate attempt to create a balk, he will penalize according to 3-3-1o.

In the bolded part, the rule states if the pitcher legally delivers the pitch, the pitch will be called a strike in either situatiion a, b, or c. Situation a is with one foot. That's what I am basing my answer on. If the pitcher did NOT deliver the pitch and the batter only stepped out with one foot, it would be a do over or anew.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 05:01pm
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Not the rule to which I was referring ... but ok.

That rule starts with:
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If the pitcher, with a runner on base, stops or hesitates in his delivery because the batter steps out of the box
This was not present in the OP. This part of the rule is to prevent a batter from stepping out and messing the pitcher up and CAUSING the pitch to not be a strike. Hence the awarding of a strike.

The OP did not mention anything along these lines. If the pitcher stopped or hesitated because of the batter stepping out, I would agree with you.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 09:13pm
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Not the rule to which I was referring ... but ok.

That rule starts with:
This was not present in the OP. This part of the rule is to prevent a batter from stepping out and messing the pitcher up and CAUSING the pitch to not be a strike. Hence the awarding of a strike.

The OP did not mention anything along these lines. If the pitcher stopped or hesitated because of the batter stepping out, I would agree with you.
I'm confused.
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I think the difference here is live-ball strike vs. dead-ball strike. If the pitcher hesitates because the batter stepped out with both feet (b), then we have a dead-ball strike. If (a) or (c) occurs, you have a violation by both the batter and pitcher and you wind up with a "re-do." If, by stepping out with one or both feet or holding up a hand to request time (a, b, or c), the pitcher is not affected and he delivers a legal pitch, that pitch is to be called a strike irregardless of the pitch's location and the ball remains live.

BTW, you cannot get two strikes on this play.
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