fair or foul

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

HTBT

He said that's a fair ball... What is the punishment for breaking that rule and managing the game against your rule. I agree HTBT, I did not have a problem in that sitch???:

No punishment whatsoever but, when you want to be a cowboy and do your own thing, eventually you will be able to ride in the sunset all by yourself because, you will have no games and nothing else to do.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Ump29

Shoot the PU for making a call not his.

Why? He was just doing what Tim McClelland taught us ten years ago was okay.

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[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

HTBT

He said that's a fair ball... What is the punishment for breaking that rule and managing the game against your rule. I agree HTBT, I did not have a problem in that sitch???:

Of course you wouldn't. There's no "punishment" per se for bad umpiring, at least not on the spot. Eventually assignors learn, and either fix the issue through training or fix it through scheduling. YMMV.

[xtremeump]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Of course you wouldn't. There's no "punishment" per se for bad umpiring, at least not on the spot. Eventually assignors learn, and either fix the issue through training or fix it through scheduling. YMMV.

I am sorry what is YMMV ? My job is training and knowing the two teams it was a TWC play. May be never happen again. In that sitch I have no problem, the Umpire called me after the game, I thought about it then called the State Interpreter and he had no problem.

[xtremeump]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

So you yell FAIR and everyone stops, because they don't expect to hear anything but FOUL. How do you handle that?

F1 had the ball BR was in the batters box PU was standing on the third baseline pointing fair and no one is doing anything. You tell me how to handle it ??? I know it never happens, but this play did happen. Please tell me what you would do. I agree do not verbalize FAIR BALLS but there are things that happen that have to be managed.This was a very good Umpire and has no problem getting good assignments. I really have a hard time with the way some people on this forum think that we live in a perfect world and that there is a black and white rule or mechanic for every game. I just talked with the State Interpreter and working 5000 plus games he said he had to say "Ball is in play" does that make anyone happy ??

[Altor]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

I am sorry what is YMMV ?

Your Mileage May Vary

[DG]

Why, in so many cases, do some say HTBT. Not in this case. If it was as described the BU had the call, he made a FOUL call and under FED rules that can't be changed, even by the PU.

"Coach, you know that in FED rules a FOUL can not be changed to FAIR." Those are the words the PU needs to deliver.

[xtremeump]

Originally Posted by Altor

Your Mileage May Vary

Thank You

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

F1 had the ball BR was in the batters box PU was standing on the third baseline pointing fair and no one is doing anything. You tell me how to handle it ??? I know it never happens, but this play did happen. Please tell me what you would do. I agree do not verbalize FAIR BALLS but there are things that happen that have to be managed.This was a very good Umpire and has no problem getting good assignments. I really have a hard time with the way some people on this forum think that we live in a perfect world and that there is a black and white rule or mechanic for every game. I just talked with the State Interpreter and working 5000 plus games he said he had to say "Ball is in play" does that make anyone happy ??

"It's in play" or "In Play" is what I would say if no one was reacting to a ball despite my pointing fair and otherwise acting as if the ball was in play.

[RPatrino]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

F1 had the ball BR was in the batters box PU was standing on the third baseline pointing fair and no one is doing anything. You tell me how to handle it ??? I know it never happens, but this play did happen. Please tell me what you would do. I agree do not verbalize FAIR BALLS but there are things that happen that have to be managed.This was a very good Umpire and has no problem getting good assignments. I really have a hard time with the way some people on this forum think that we live in a perfect world and that there is a black and white rule or mechanic for every game. I just talked with the State Interpreter and working 5000 plus games he said he had to say "Ball is in play" does that make anyone happy ??

The problem with this situation is, the ball was NOT in play. It was foul, and should STAY foul under FED rules. The PU had no rule based reason to say FAIR. Once a call of foul is made, the ball is DEAD, no longer in play. It cannot be made live again, there is no reincarnation of a dead ball.

If the rule set you are playing under allows that to be corrected, it is NOT corrected by telling everyone, "OK guys, start running!!" You place the runners where , in your judgement, they belong, had the ball not erroneously been called foul.

[Dave Reed]

Bob,
Read post #10. The thread evolved.....

[RPatrino]

Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Bob,
Read post #10. The thread evolved.....

I hate when they do that!! In regards to post #10...point fair, repeatedly, and silently. Runners should be coached to run until they hear "FOUL" or "OUT". It's not my responsibility to tell the players what to do.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

F1 had the ball BR was in the batters box PU was standing on the third baseline pointing fair and no one is doing anything. You tell me how to handle it ??? I know it never happens, but this play did happen. Please tell me what you would do. I agree do not verbalize FAIR BALLS but there are things that happen that have to be managed.This was a very good Umpire and has no problem getting good assignments. I really have a hard time with the way some people on this forum think that we live in a perfect world and that there is a black and white rule or mechanic for every game. I just talked with the State Interpreter and working 5000 plus games he said he had to say "Ball is in play" does that make anyone happy ??

"You tell me how to handle it ??? "

At a Varsity level game? Stand on the third baseline and point fair.

Consider it a lesson learned in what to expect, when you come on this site. It is not a" Perfect World" but, it is the "Real World".

[xtremeump]

Originally Posted by jicecone

"You tell me how to handle it ??? "

At a Varsity level game? Stand on the third baseline and point fair.

Consider it a lesson learned in what to expect, when you come on this site. It is not a" Perfect World" but, it is the "Real World".

Lesson Learned...

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

F1 had the ball BR was in the batters box PU was standing on the third baseline pointing fair and no one is doing anything. You tell me how to handle it ??? I know it never happens, but this play did happen. Please tell me what you would do.

Continue pointing Fair. Eventually, somebody's gonna look at me and figure it out.

Yeah, verbalizing, "Hey fellas, that's a Fair Ball," or, "How long do I need to stand here and point until you realize that the ball is Fair," is a viable alternative. But it's certainly against approved umpiring mechanics. If you want to do that, go for it. You'll probably get the reaction you're hoping for. But just because some veteran umpire said that's what he would do, that doesn't mean it's proper.