fair or foul

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

players should be taught to play the ball until they hear the Umpires call FOUL, DEAD, or TIME. End of discussion.

An umpire should never call DEAD (ball). Time and Foul are the only words used to kill the ball.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

An umpire should never call DEAD (ball). Time and Foul are the only words used to kill the ball.

The state clinician (NFHS) in my most recent clinic disagrees with you. So do some rulebooks, actually - caseplays that end with "the umpire shall rule the ball dead." (or "rule a dead ball")

"TIME" is for stopping play for a conference requested by a coach or for killing play prior to a pitch. Or in LL machine pitch, ruling the play over when the ball reaches a circle.
"Dead Ball" is used when something during play (runner interference, bat hits ball a 2nd time, ball goes out of play, etc) kills the play.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

"Dead Ball" is used when something during play (runner interference, bat hits ball a 2nd time, ball goes out of play, etc) kills the play.

Go to a college or pro clinic and they will stop this practice.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Go to a college or pro clinic and they will stop this practice.

At that level, I agree with you. I did state NFHS and LL in my reply (and that applies to most orgs below MLB / MiLB / NCAA)

As in most things, we do what our supervisors want.

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

As in most things, we do what our supervisors want.

Especially if we want to continue to working for them.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

At that level, I agree with you. I did state NFHS and LL in my reply (and that applies to most orgs below MLB / MiLB / NCAA)

As in most things, we do what our supervisors want.

What would you do if your supervisor wanted you to yell "Steeerike three yer out!" and jerk your thumb skyward on a swinging 3rd strike? Calling dead ball is equivalent to that.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

What would you do if your supervisor wanted you to yell "Steeerike three yer out!" and jerk your thumb skyward on a swinging 3rd strike? Calling dead ball is equivalent to that.

Well ... if my STATE supervisor said that... I'd do it. Not that he would. Then again, if he said to do it, and everyone did it ... would it still be weird?

If my local guy told us to use a mechanic so bad I had an issue with it, I'd probably mention it to the next guy up the chain (honestly ... someone else would before me, in all likelihood), and it would get fixed.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Go to a college or pro clinic and they will stop this practice.

I've been to both. Guess what? They didn't stop it.

Granted, it was on a very few possible plays, such as a drag bunt, the ball hits B1, & PU is blocked.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CT1

I've been to both. Guess what? They didn't stop it.

Granted, it was on a very few possible plays, such as a drag bunt, the ball hits B1, & PU is blocked.

And what did they say to say on this play?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

And what did they say to say on this play?

The correct verbal mechanic is: "That's interference, Time!"

[xtremeump]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

The correct verbal mechanic is: "That's interference, Time!"

Jim Evans MLB Umpire School in 2008, one of the students said "DEAD BALL" during a drill. All of the Instructors stopped everything put their Caps over there hearts and wanted to see the dead ball. What it taught me is what is the difference between TIME & DEAD BALL ? I always go with TIME now...

[CT1]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

And what did they say to say on this play?

"Time" preferred, but no ding for "Dead ball". Similar to "Balk" or "That's a balk."

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by CT1

I've been to both. Guess what? They didn't stop it.

Granted, it was on a very few possible plays, such as a drag bunt, the ball hits B1, & PU is blocked.

+1

MTD, Sr.