Two Pitching Changes Spark Protest

[David B]

Was just reading this on ESPN.com and they said MLB said it was done incorrectly. Wow, 2 big mistakes in two days - so much for all the umpire conferences these days - they don't seem to be producing the correct rulings ..

Thanks
David

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

All that's saying is that if you don't catch it, and they start pitching, they are no longer improper.

There's no mechanism in the rules to legally and knowingly allow what happened to happen, other than injury - which didn't happen.

And besides "the umpire shall direct the proper pitcher to return to the game until the provisions of this rule are fulfilled."(3.05C) and "the umpire shall notify the manager of the offending club that it cannot be done" in (3.05C Comment), what is the penalty for doing it?

None that I can see. Eject the manager, the pitcher that you didn't want to pitch anyway?

That is what I am trying to figure out.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by jicecone

And besides "the umpire shall direct the proper pitcher to return to the game until the provisions of this rule are fulfilled."(3.05C) and "the umpire shall notify the manager of the offending club that it cannot be done" in (3.05C Comment), what is the penalty for doing it?

None that I can see. Eject the manager, the pitcher that you didn't want to pitch anyway?

That is what I am trying to figure out.

Keep tossing the head coach until they run out of coaches?

[tmagan]

Every time Dwight Howard does something stupid, he faces the media. Fieldin Culbreth is a fifty year old man and runs away when someone challenges him. Fieldin has to grow up and learn how to deal with tough questions. People half his age in sports learn how to deal with tough questions. Angel Hernandez is probably a lost cause, but Culbreth damaged his reputation this week.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tmagan

Every time Dwight Howard does something stupid, he faces the media. Fieldin Culbreth is a fifty year old man and runs away when someone challenges him. Fieldin has to grow up and learn how to deal with tough questions. People half his age in sports learn how to deal with tough questions. Angel Hernandez is probably a lost cause, but Culbreth damaged his reputation this week.

That is actually a terrible comparison. Howard often does not face the media and part of their job has always been to talk to the media. Last time I checked, that was not the job of the umpires or any official and actually they cannot go around talking to the media freely. I have never seen an umpire after a game talk openly to the media about what was said in many situations and state what they think of the participants they dealt with. And for years it was forbidden totally to even comment to the media even when they were right. I think I can give a pass to a situation that is canned and superficial at best.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jicecone

And besides "the umpire shall direct the proper pitcher to return to the game until the provisions of this rule are fulfilled."(3.05C) and "the umpire shall notify the manager of the offending club that it cannot be done" in (3.05C Comment), what is the penalty for doing it?

None that I can see. Eject the manager, the pitcher that you didn't want to pitch anyway?

That is what I am trying to figure out.

The penalty is tell the manager no. You can see in the video the Astro manager was waiting for the umpires to make a call, and when they do he nods yes and signals to the pen. I don't think any MLB manager is going to stomp his foot and insist they let him do something illegal, to the point of ejection. There's no penalty for doing it because it is simply something the umpire should not allow.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tmagan

Every time Dwight Howard does something stupid, he faces the media. Fieldin Culbreth is a fifty year old man and runs away when someone challenges him. Fieldin has to grow up and learn how to deal with tough questions. People half his age in sports learn how to deal with tough questions. Angel Hernandez is probably a lost cause, but Culbreth damaged his reputation this week.

Yes, they screwed up... but not as badly as this post did. This whole thing is asinine. Umpires don't talk to the press. In fact, Angel is in more trouble for talking to them yesterday than he is for the huge gaffe he made.

[tmagan]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Yes, they screwed up... but not as badly as this post did. This whole thing is asinine. Umpires don't talk to the press. In fact, Angel is in more trouble for talking to them yesterday than he is for the huge gaffe he made.

You can get away with that in the mid-1980's, not in today's world. By not speaking to the press, does Fieldin thinks it would go away? It just makes it worse, with people thinking cover up, or he didn't know the rule. If Fieldin knew the rule, he should have told the pool reporter after the game. He didn't and you know and I know what that means.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tmagan

You can get away with that in the mid-1980's, not in today's world. By not speaking to the press, does Fieldin thinks it would go away? It just makes it worse, with people thinking cover up, or he didn't know the rule. If Fieldin knew the rule, he should have told the pool reporter after the game. He didn't and you know and I know what that means.

Anyone want to try... I give up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tmagan

You can get away with that in the mid-1980's, not in today's world. By not speaking to the press, does Fieldin thinks it would go away? It just makes it worse, with people thinking cover up, or he didn't know the rule. If Fieldin knew the rule, he should have told the pool reporter after the game. He didn't and you know and I know what that means.

It is not about getting away with it. Still whether you realize it or not it is still kind of frowned upon to speak to the media. If it was similar to your example then the umpires would be talking to all the reporters, not the pool reporter. And I am sure with the pool reporter they can only talk about certain stuff. I doubt Hernandez could discuss only the ruling, not why the manager was ejected. Who cares what the public thinks really. You could tell the public the exact rule and the media would still go on and on about what they think should have happened.

Not that it is baseball but a media person tried to argue with Steve Javie a long time NBA official about what should have happened in the Heat-Bulls series as it related to technical fouls (9 in the game) as if the media person had actual officiating experience. Who cares what the umpires say to a pool reporter? The media will spin that anyway they like to suit their positions.

Peace

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by jicecone

For the starter on the lineup card, yes. For substitues, I don't believe that it is clear as you say. The substitute officially becomes the new pitcher after he has thrown a pitch. Not necessarily when he takes his place at the mound.

OBR 3.05-a, b, c. The penalty is not clear and it seems as though it results in the substitute being substitued for, being ejected. The new pitcher is then the one the coach wants inthere anyway.

I am not saying I am right but, I am saying it is not as clear as it seems.

If the guy is not in the game until he throws a pitch then how does it make sense to require him to throw a pitch before he can be replaced? How can he be "replaced" if he is not in the game?

[UMP25]

The crew in Houston last night didn't get away with it. MLB has suspended Fieldin Culbreth and his crew for 2 games for their misapplication of the rule.

Personally, I have no problem with such penalty. Making an error in a judgment call is one thing, but to me, not getting a ruling correct is inexcusable. Period.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by UMP25

The crew in Houston last night didn't get away with it. MLB has suspended Fieldin Culbreth and his crew for 2 games for their misapplication of the rule.
Personally, I have no problem with such penalty. Making an error in a judgment call is one thing, but to me, not getting a ruling correct is inexcusable. Period.

Not quite, Culbreth gets two games and other 3 are fined. Umpiring crew disciplined for rule mishap | MLB.com: News

[robbie]

So what prevent this?:

Defence: New pitcher - Warms up
Offence: Pinch Hitter
Defence: F1 says "F--- You Blue" - Thus ejected
Defence : Calls for another F1

ps: Yes, this is a serious question

[kylejt]

One of the umpires made a phone call from the dugout. Hopefully, that guy gets the worst of it.

I made a similar rule misapplication last night, in a LL Majors game. I'll serve my suspension this evening, by working the PA systems, and gettin' jiggy with it.