Safe on 2nd, goes back to 1st

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by SAWolf

Hi,

Here is the clip:
MIL: Top Plays | CHC@MIL: Segura's wacky baserunning does not end well - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

Isn't there an obstruction as Segura is returning to 2nd base? And, doesn't Segura get tagged while off the base?

[SAWolf]

Ok, I reread the rule on the pitcher disengaging (break) from the plate:

In disengaging the rubber the pitcher must step off with his pivot foot and not his free foot first.

When the pitcher disengages the rubber, he must drop his hands to his sides.

I didn't see the pitcher do either. But I also reread the unoccupied base rule:

8.05 If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when—(d) The pitcher, while touching his plate, throws, or feints a throw to an unoccupied base, except for the purpose of making a play;

So if the runner is stealing you may just step and throw to the base that he is going to? You don't have to 'break' or disengage? Interesting I always thought that you had to...

I also checked the rule on running bases in reverse order:

7.08 Any runner is out when—(i) After he has acquired legal possession of a base, he runs the bases in reverse order for the purpose of confusing the defense or making a travesty of the game. The
umpire shall immediately call “Time” and declare the runner out;
Rule 7.08(i) Comment: If a runner touches an unoccupied base and then thinks the ball was caught or is decoyed into returning to the base he last touched, he may be put out running back to that base, but if he reaches the previously occupied base safely he cannot be put out while in contact with that base.

So then going all the way back to one was actually legal? Wow!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAWolf

Ok, I reread the rule on the pitcher disengaging (break) from the plate:





I didn't see the pitcher do either. But I also reread the unoccupied base rule:

He didn't do either. But, he did make a (legal) move to second and as part of that he came off the rubber so he's now an infielder and can throw anywhere.

So if the runner is stealing you may just step and throw to the base that he is going to? You don't have to 'break' or disengage? Interesting I always thought that you had to...

A common myth that really shouldn't be a myth.

I also checked the rule on running bases in reverse order:


So then going all the way back to one was actually legal? Wow!

I don't think 7.08 is the relevant rule. I think it's 7.01