NCAA question

[johnnyg08]

When I watch it again, I think that I can lean toward a possible baseline infraction IF all guidelines are met, which they aren't in the video, but the question creates a hypothetical.

When the fielder extends his arm completely he still missed the runner so much that there's considerable daylight between the end of the fielder's glove and the runner. So I think we can agree that there is a gap that is equal to or greater than three feet.

By the choices given, if we have a baseline violation, a tag is not required so you can't answer "D" if you have a baseline violation.

The only proper answer if you think there is a baseline violation in this instance would be "C"

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

When the fielder extends his arm completely he still missed the runner so much that there's considerable daylight between the end of the fielder's glove and the runner. So I think we can agree that there is a gap that is equal to or greater than three feet.

Say the fielder catches the ball cleanly... the tag begins after that catch and as soon as he starts moving the glove in the direction of the runner. At that instant, the player has already veered considerably to the left (from the camera's perspective). 3 feet from the fielder is not the standard. 3 feet out of HIS basepath that is established the moment a tag attempt begins.

On that standard, this runner is not even remotely close to being 3 feet out of the basepath.

(Also note - there some codes where the fielder here has obstructed, as the runner had to veer when he didn't have the ball)

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Say the fielder catches the ball cleanly... the tag begins after that catch and as soon as he starts moving the glove in the direction of the runner. At that instant, the player has already veered considerably to the left (from the camera's perspective). 3 feet from the fielder is not the standard. 3 feet out of HIS basepath that is established the moment a tag attempt begins.

On that standard, this runner is not even remotely close to being 3 feet out of the basepath.

The NCAA thinks he is.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

The NCAA thinks he is.

What do you mean by that? Is there some note somewhere I've not seen that changes the time at which we are to set the baseline in a situation like this?

[johnnyg08]

Okay dash, w/ that approach I can see where "D" could be an answer. Clear as mud. Perfect.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

What do you mean by that? Is there some note somewhere I've not seen that changes the time at which we are to set the baseline in a situation like this?

No, I'm just going by the possible answers to this question.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

No, I'm just going by the possible answers to this question.

Ah. Got it.

[Steven Tyler]

If I have my facts straight, I was told at a FED meeting control of the ball really meant everything. I believe I was referring to the fielder with the ball in his throwing hand, and making an attempt to tag a runner with his glove hand. More than a reach on a tag attempt regardless of the location/possesion of the ball, runner out for leaving base path. Might be something you want to discuss in a future meeting.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Say the fielder catches the ball cleanly... the tag begins after that catch and as soon as he starts moving the glove in the direction of the runner. At that instant, the player has already veered considerably to the left (from the camera's perspective). 3 feet from the fielder is not the standard. 3 feet out of HIS basepath that is established the moment a tag attempt begins.

On that standard, this runner is not even remotely close to being 3 feet out of the basepath.

(Also note - there some codes where the fielder here has obstructed, as the runner had to veer when he didn't have the ball)

I think the fielder is considered to be in the act of fielding the ball which is why one could eliminate obstruction. I also saw it that way at first that at the time of the invalid tag attempt, R2 had already passed the fielder. But the answer possibilities just don't give us those options.