NCAA question

[dash_riprock]

A says the runner must be tagged,
B says the runner is out of the baseline but it only applies if the fielder has the ball and is making a tag attempt
C says pretty much the same thing as B.
D is all of the above

It has to be D.

[johnnyg08]

For the purpose of discussion, unless you don't judge him to be out of his base path. Then it can't be B or C, so then it's not D, so it has to be A.

[dash_riprock]

"For the being 'out of the baseline principle' to apply, the fielder must have secured the ball and be attempting a tag."

Why isn't this correct?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

"For the being 'out of the baseline principle' to apply, the fielder must have secured the ball and be attempting a tag."

Why isn't this correct?

I'm not saying I disagree w/ "C" as a statement. But I don't think C applies to this question.

The rule states: (which I'm certain you know),

"In running to any base, while trying to avoid being tagged out, the runner runs more than three feet left or right from a direct line between the base and the runner's location at the time a play is being made"

If you answer "C" I can live with that, but the answer can't be D. (Again, I'm not saying I'm right. I appreciate the discussion)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I'm not saying I disagree w/ "C" as a statement. But I don't think C applies to this question.

The rule states: (which I'm certain you know),

"In running to any base, while trying to avoid being tagged out, the runner runs more than three feet left or right from a direct line between the base and the runner's location at the time a play is being made"

If you answer "C" I can live with that, but the answer can't be D. (Again, I'm not saying I'm right. I appreciate the discussion)

I think the runner clearly runs more than 3' from his path. IF F5 had caught the ball, we'd have an out.

So, I'm answering "D".

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think the runner clearly runs more than 3' from his path. IF F5 had caught the ball, we'd have an out.

So, I'm answering "D".

I wish everyone could see the video. I really don't think he runs more than three feet from the tag when the potential tag is attempted. That may not be what they're trying to convey from the question though.

[maven]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I wish everyone could see the video. I really don't think he runs more than three feet from the tag when the potential tag is attempted. That may not be what they're trying to convey from the question though.

Three feet is a short distance: generally an arm's length. If the fielder has to move at all to reach him, then he "left the baseline."

[LittleLeagueBob]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think the runner clearly runs more than 3' from his path. IF F5 had caught the ball, we'd have an out.

So, I'm answering "D".

This is where I'm confused..."A" says, "This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation" -- but if we judge the runner to be more than 3' out of his baseline, he doesn't need to be tagged (of course, as long as the fielder has the ball) -- he's out for being more than 3' from his path...correct?

Frankly, I can't tell the difference b/t "B" and "C" -- so I haven't a clue what to put!!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by LittleLeagueBob

This is where I'm confused..."A" says, "This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation" -- but if we judge the runner to be more than 3' out of his baseline, he doesn't need to be tagged (of course, as long as the fielder has the ball) -- he's out for being more than 3' from his path...correct?

Frankly, I can't tell the difference b/t "B" and "C" -- so I haven't a clue what to put!!

"the runner must be tagged" means "the baseline issue doesn't apply because the fielder doesn't have the ball". imo, all three answers are just different ways of saying the same thing, so D is correct.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by LittleLeagueBob

This is where I'm confused..."A" says, "This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation" -- but if we judge the runner to be more than 3' out of his baseline, he doesn't need to be tagged (of course, as long as the fielder has the ball) -- he's out for being more than 3' from his path...correct?

No. In the video, the fielder does not have the ball, so the runner can't be called out for being out of the baseline. Therefore, he must be tagged to be put out.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by LittleLeagueBob

This is where I'm confused..."A" says, "This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation" -- but if we judge the runner to be more than 3' out of his baseline, he doesn't need to be tagged (of course, as long as the fielder has the ball) -- he's out for being more than 3' from his path...correct?

Frankly, I can't tell the difference b/t "B" and "C" -- so I haven't a clue what to put!!

I don't think we have a baseline violation, which is why I'm going with "A"

I will see if I can get the video posted.