It should be common sense, but...

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Rich

So he used proper mechanics, then.

Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center.

That is fine, but that is the mechanic and the option for the BU. Not sure why that would be hard to determine anyway. If my partner in the field goes out, I have everything on the diamond. It is really not that hard. It is one of the easiest mechanics to adjust to.

Peace

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is fine, but that is the mechanic and the option for the BU. Not sure why that would be hard to determine anyway. If my partner in the field goes out, I have everything on the diamond. It is really not that hard. It is one of the easiest mechanics to adjust to.

Peace

Exactly. If I see my partner turn his back and go, I know I've got everything unless we've pregamed differently. Pre-game is important and can help flesh out these things.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center.

Actually Manny, U1 probably has a lot better angle and is much closer than you are from home. Usually, my pre-game goes like this , U1-"if I go out I will let you know" Me- "Thats fine I will be able to tell anyway because your the only one dressed like me however, if you do I have the bases.

I am not saying he was right in going out for your game but you should have adjusted. The game still moves on and if you see your partner is locked in to the catch, you have to adjust and picked up the bases yourself. When part of the Team screws up, the entire team looks bad.

Also, this is why you don't leave to common sense.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center.

Wow. While that might be "normal" in your area, and you should definitely follow the "when in Rome" principle, this mechanic is not commonly used or taught.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center.

That's not normal... but in any case, it's the PLATE umpire's responsibility to watch BU at the beginning of a fly ball to the outfield to see if he's going out. Many partners will say something if they go out, but that's often not heard anyway. YOU have to watch. If he goes out, he's got the fly ball and you've got, well, what you didn't get.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

That's not normal... but in any case, it's the PLATE umpire's responsibility to watch BU at the beginning of a fly ball to the outfield to see if he's going out. Many partners will say something if they go out, but that's often not heard anyway. YOU have to watch. If he goes out, he's got the fly ball and you've got, well, what you didn't get.

And this is even easier if you come from behind home plate. Unfortunately that is what I do not see enough of from the PU in these cases.

Peace

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

YOU have to watch. If he goes out, he's got the fly ball and you've got, well, what you didn't get.

But that's just it. Since I thought that ball was mine the whole way, I was watching F8 and the flight of the ball as I moved out towards the right side of the mound, assuming (incorrectly in this case) that my partner was going to button-hook in to take the BR. I didn't see my partner moving out until after the BR was on his way to second.

I guess Boo on me for not knowing the proper mechanic.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

But that's just it. Since I thought that ball was mine the whole way, I was watching F8

Yes, THAT is just it. Even if you thought the ball was yours, you watch your partner (heck, I glance at him by habit now, even if the ball is on the wrong side entirely). When partner turns his back, it's over - he's got the fly, you've got everything else.

Live and learn... that's part of what's great about this site.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Yes, THAT is just it. Even if you thought the ball was yours, you watch your partner (heck, I glance at him by habit now, even if the ball is on the wrong side entirely). When partner turns his back, it's over - he's got the fly, you've got everything else.

Live and learn... that's part of what's great about this site.

It's similar to what happens in three person -- one person reads the ball and decides what to do, and the other umpire reads the first and reacts based on the first umpire's decision.

If both go out or both come in, it's the second umpire's fault.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Manny A

But that's just it. Since I thought that ball was mine the whole way, I was watching F8 and the flight of the ball as I moved out towards the right side of the mound, assuming (incorrectly in this case) that my partner was going to button-hook in to take the BR. I didn't see my partner moving out until after the BR was on his way to second.

I guess Boo on me for not knowing the proper mechanic.

Wouldn't you still look at your partner and check to see if he went out? You do not need to watch the flight of the ball the entire way. It is going to take a few seconds for the ball to get out to the fielder even in the close play that was a line drive. And even if he buttoned hooked into the diamond, you still should be out behind home plate anyway. The only problem I have ever had not knowing what my partner was not going out is when they would do that teetering on the dirt and grass and that is why this is usually a pre-game item when I have not worked with someone. I tell them that if they go, goooo so I know what to do. This usually solves the problem and I cannot think of too many times where I did not know what my partner was doing. This is why a pre-game is valuable as you could even tell them what your expectations are before the game. Even if they followed the mechanic perfectly (which they did according to your post) you still can give situations that might help coverage and interject some philosophy into why you would want something done. And even if your partner did something not 100% right, you should not be so locked into the flight of the ball (which I almost never watch) that you cannot know what to watch based on the actions of your partner.

Peace