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voiceoflg Tue Oct 02, 2012 02:19pm

It should be common sense, but...
 
I saw this comment on another thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856780)
In all honesty, this is something I would never cover with my partner during pre-game. It should be common sense...

This made me think...what instances have you had where you thought something was common sense, but in hindsight you should have covered with your partner(s)?

Manny A Tue Oct 02, 2012 02:36pm

One that happened to me recently was when I had a two-man partner who covered catch/no-catch from the A position on balls hit from F8 all the way to foul territory. He caught me totally unaware as I tracked a ball going deep into center that F8 failed to catch at the fence. I didn't see him until the ball landed on the ground.

Thank goodness that the defense didn't appeal the BR's touch of first base, because I had no clue.

Rich Tue Oct 02, 2012 02:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856789)
One that happened to me recently was when I had a two-man partner who covered catch/no-catch from the A position on balls hit from F8 all the way to foul territory. He caught me totally unaware as I tracked a ball going deep into center that F8 failed to catch at the fence. I didn't see him until the ball landed on the ground.

Thank goodness that the defense didn't appeal the BR's touch of first base, because I had no clue.

So he used proper mechanics, then. :)

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 02, 2012 03:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856789)
One that happened to me recently was when I had a two-man partner who covered catch/no-catch from the A position on balls hit from F8 all the way to foul territory. He caught me totally unaware as I tracked a ball going deep into center that F8 failed to catch at the fence. I didn't see him until the ball landed on the ground.

Thank goodness that the defense didn't appeal the BR's touch of first base, because I had no clue.

Oh no...

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 02, 2012 03:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 856794)
So he used proper mechanics, then. :)

Yeah, that ^^^

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 02, 2012 03:51pm

Not sure this exactly fits your topic, but most of the time, if partner agrees, when we're working long tourney's and it's hot (like, 6-8 games in a day, 2 on 1 off rotation), I tell partners doing plate that if we have a steal of 2nd on a passed ball, I'll rim the infield and take the play all the way to 3rd if it develops... saves them some running in the heat, and puts me in C when they don't go, which is most of the time.

So I go over this, partner agrees, and it happens... and I see him out of the corner of my eye as I'm saying SAFE (and selling it), he's saying out and starting to signal it. THAT was a mess.

jicecone Tue Oct 02, 2012 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856789)
One that happened to me recently was when I had a two-man partner who covered catch/no-catch from the A position on balls hit from F8 all the way to foul territory. He caught me totally unaware as I tracked a ball going deep into center that F8 failed to catch at the fence. I didn't see him until the ball landed on the ground.

Thank goodness that the defense didn't appeal the BR's touch of first base, because I had no clue.

You are talking about the LF line , Right? i hope.

Rita C Wed Oct 03, 2012 01:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856789)
One that happened to me recently was when I had a two-man partner who covered catch/no-catch from the A position on balls hit from F8 all the way to foul territory. He caught me totally unaware as I tracked a ball going deep into center that F8 failed to catch at the fence. I didn't see him until the ball landed on the ground.

Thank goodness that the defense didn't appeal the BR's touch of first base, because I had no clue.

Everyone is reacting oddly to this one.

Do you really expect BU in A to cover the centerfielder moving back on the ball?

Rita

Rich Wed Oct 03, 2012 02:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 856834)
Everyone is reacting oddly to this one.

Do you really expect BU in A to cover the centerfielder moving back on the ball?

Rita

Depends which way he turns. He turns towards me in A, I'm going out.

Manny A Wed Oct 03, 2012 07:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 856794)
So he used proper mechanics, then. :)

Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center. ;)

JRutledge Wed Oct 03, 2012 07:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856847)
Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center. ;)

That is fine, but that is the mechanic and the option for the BU. Not sure why that would be hard to determine anyway. If my partner in the field goes out, I have everything on the diamond. It is really not that hard. It is one of the easiest mechanics to adjust to.

Peace

jicecone Wed Oct 03, 2012 07:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856847)
Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center. ;)

Actually Manny, U1 probably has a lot better angle and is much closer than you are from home. Usually, my pre-game goes like this , U1-"if I go out I will let you know" Me- "Thats fine I will be able to tell anyway because your the only one dressed like me however, if you do I have the bases.

I am not saying he was right in going out for your game but you should have adjusted. The game still moves on and if you see your partner is locked in to the catch, you have to adjust and picked up the bases yourself. When part of the Team screws up, the entire team looks bad.

Also, this is why you don't leave to common sense.

Welpe Wed Oct 03, 2012 07:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 856852)
That is fine, but that is the mechanic and the option for the BU. Not sure why that would be hard to determine anyway. If my partner in the field goes out, I have everything on the diamond. It is really not that hard. It is one of the easiest mechanics to adjust to.

Peace

Exactly. If I see my partner turn his back and go, I know I've got everything unless we've pregamed differently. Pre-game is important and can help flesh out these things.

bob jenkins Wed Oct 03, 2012 07:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856847)
Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center. ;)

Wow. While that might be "normal" in your area, and you should definitely follow the "when in Rome" principle, this mechanic is not commonly used or taught.

MD Longhorn Wed Oct 03, 2012 08:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856847)
Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of the partners I've had will only take catch/no-catch from F9 to foul territory. Until this particular game, I cannot recall a partner going out on a fly to dead center. ;)

That's not normal... but in any case, it's the PLATE umpire's responsibility to watch BU at the beginning of a fly ball to the outfield to see if he's going out. Many partners will say something if they go out, but that's often not heard anyway. YOU have to watch. If he goes out, he's got the fly ball and you've got, well, what you didn't get.


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