Fair and Foul

[Tim C]

Guessing here:

If this was a two person crew with R2 that means your base umpire was in "C".

So why in the he11 was he making a call on the ball.

That being said if your were working under NFHS rules I guess you could make about any "make good" call you wanted.

T

[kylejt]

The old school of thought was there was no way to unring the foul bell. That's changed, as we're leaning more toward the "get it right" way of calling.

It sounds like the BU echoed someone other than the PU. It happens. I've got no problem with the way the crewed "fixed" it, as that's what's being taught nowadays.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by kylejt

The old school of thought was there was no way to unring the foul bell. That's changed, as we're leaning more toward the "get it right" way of calling.

It sounds like the BU echoed someone other than the PU. It happens. I've got no problem with the way the crewed "fixed" it, as that's what's being taught nowadays.

I agree on a situation like this where the ball was clearly fair, and the wrong umpire made the bogus call.

On a "routine" fair/foul call where the correct umpire makes the call, but it may just be wrong because of a questionable lapse in judgment, that I can see where we would live with the call. But even in that case, an exception could be made if it's clear both teams do not react to the erroneous call.

Frankly, I would have put the BR on second base here. The ball was hit far down the left field line, so I don't see why he should be sent back to first if the only reason he was tagged before reaching second was because he reacted to the foul call.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Guessing here:

If this was a two person crew with R2 that means your base umpire was in "C".

So why in the he11 was he making a call on the ball.

That being said if your were working under NFHS rules I guess you could make about any "make good" call you wanted.

T

I thought FED had a case play that once somebody called it foul it was dead.

[3ump]

Thanks for the help guys. So the foul call trumps the fair, I can live with that ( I guess) but the defensive coach sure as hell was not. My partner is a seasoned ump and when this happened I was stunned to say the least. Says he heard foul and followed thru with it but like I said I have a boooming voice no mistake bout it. Worse part is I was left to fix it, and the biggest *****er yep it was the offensive coach.

[johnnyg08]

Furthermore, there is no voice on a fair ball.

Are you a newer umpire? Was it possible that BU took it upon himself to "help you" even though you got it right?

If it were my game, Base umpire would be fixing this and explaining it to the coaches.

I would stand by to escort the ejected manager from the field.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Furthermore, there is no voice on a fair ball..........

The poster said that he signaled 3 times fair. He never said he verbally said FAIR.

[JJ]

This is another reason why a thorough pregame with an unknown partner is valuable. "If you're in the middle I have all the fair/fouls" should let him know he should keep his mouth shut. He may have heard someone from the other team yell "foul" and mimicked the call he thought came from the PU.
And yes, HE should be the one to "fix" it. HE'S the one who screwed up!

JJ

[MD Longhorn]

Yet another reason not to mimic your partner's calls.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by JJ

This is another reason why a thorough pregame with an unknown partner is valuable. "If you're in the middle I have all the fair/fouls" should let him know he should keep his mouth shut.

In all honesty, this is something I would never cover with my partner during pre-game. It should be common sense that an umpire inside the diamond has ZERO fair/foul responsibility!

The only fair/foul coverage we go over is when the BU is in A.