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[Rita C]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Yes, but just saying RUNNER was good enough. It's like saying... All vegetables, other than tomatoes, come from the leaf, stem, or root of the plant.

Well that isn't correct either.

Rita

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Well that isn't correct either.

Rita

Actually, I see his point. "All runners, other than the batter..." is misleading because the batter is NOT a runner.

"All vegetables, other than tomatoes..." has the same problem, kinda. The only tiny quibble is that the term 'vegetables' is not botanically on a par with 'fruits', but that's the tiniest of nits.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Actually, I see his point. "All runners, other than the batter..." is misleading because the batter is NOT a runner.

"All vegetables, other than tomatoes..." has the same problem, kinda. The only tiny quibble is that the term 'vegetables' is not botanically on a par with 'fruits', but that's the tiniest of nits.

It's just that all squash and cucumbers are also "fruit" like tomatoes are "fruit". Which is why his sentence (and analogy) doesn't work.

And while we are at it, the whole idea that tomatoes are fruit came from a customs or tarif designation. It was never botanical.

Rita

[Lapopez]

Originally Posted by Rita C

It's just that all squash and cucumbers are also "fruit" like tomatoes are "fruit". Which is why his sentence and analogy doesn't work.

And while we are at it, the whole idea that tomatoes are fruit came from a customs or tarif designation. It was never botanical.

Rita

From my high school biology teacher: if there's a seed, it's a fruit. It doesn't have to be edible. That "helicopter business" (he was referring to maple tree seeds, for example), --> fruit.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Rita C

It's just that all squash and cucumbers are also "fruit" like tomatoes are "fruit". Which is why his sentence (and analogy) doesn't work.

And while we are at it, the whole idea that tomatoes are fruit came from a customs or tarif designation. It was never botanical.

Rita

Apologies for hijacking. A fruit is a botanical, not merely a customs, category. Vegetable is not.

Not sure where you got your info, Rita.

[dash_riprock]

IIRC, a fruit is a ripened ovary.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

IIRC, a fruit is a ripened ovary.

Legitimately ripened?

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Legitimately ripened?

Very good.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Apologies for hijacking. A fruit is a botanical, not merely a customs, category. Vegetable is not.

Not sure where you got your info, Rita.

You misunderstood what I wrote because I was incomplete.

There was a time that tomatoes were considered fruit, in line with apples, pears etc. One story has it that this was to escape import duties that were higher on vegetables.

So, the story goes, many people still get all caught up in tomatoes being fruit: E.g. Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

As a science teacher I find that to be annoying. Sure the tomato is the fruit of the plant. But so are squash, cucumbers, snap peas and green beans. We wouldn't even begin to call them "fruit" even though they are "fruits". "Fruit" and "vegetable" are dinner classifications, not science classifications.

That's just part of why his sentence "All vegetables, other than tomatoes, come from the leaf, stem, or root of the plant." doesn't work as an analogy.

Rita

[bsaucer]

So, if instead of strike three, if the pitch were ball four, does the "batter" (now a runner) still get awarded any extra bases?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bsaucer

So, if instead of strike three, if the pitch were ball four, does the "batter" (now a runner) still get awarded any extra bases?

Hint: Where is the award made from?