Detached glove?

[bsaucer]

Can a fielder catch a ball with his glove if he is not wearing it, but marely holding it in his hands?

[mbyron]

No. Rule 2.00 CATCH.

[rbmartin]

7.05 Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out,advance—
(b) Three bases, if a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his person. The ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril;
(d) Two bases, if a fielder deliberately touches a thrown ball with his cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his person. The ball is in play;

Would you consider a detached glove as "part of his uniform" and thus meeting the penalties described above?

[bob jenkins]

As a general case, I agree with mbyron here. But, if the glove is unintentionall dislodged and then caught, I'd rule a catch.

Two outs. F6 leaps for a liner. As the ball hits the glove, the ball pops straight up in the air and the glove comes off F6's hand. F6 instinctively grabs the glove and the ball falls into it and is secured. F6 opens the glove, shows the ball to the umpire and then turns the glove over to drop the ball on the mound.

I'd rule a catch and an out.

[BSUmp16]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

Would you consider a detached glove as "part of his uniform" and thus meeting the penalties described above?

I think it's pretty clear that Rule 2.00 CATCH makes a distinction between the fielder's glove and the fielder's uniform. As examples of parts of a uniform, the rule cites "cap, protector, pocket". I also think a common sense interpretation is that the glove is not part of the uniform. Also, 7.05 makes a clear distinction between using detached parts of the uniform (7.05(b) and (d)) and a detached glove (7.05(c) and (e)). See also comment to Rule 8.02(a)

Finally, Rule 3.15 does not allow players to be on the field unless they are "in uniform". If the uniform included the glove, players would always have to carry their glove while on the field, which they obviously are not required to do.

I'd say making a catch using a securely held glove in which the fielder has not inserted his fingers is still a catch and legal. The glove is not part of the "uniform" and has not been thrown.

[Larry1953]

This seems similar to the case where a batted ball got stuck between the fingers of the pitcher's glove so he tossed glove/ball to F3 for the out. Here the player is essentially catching his own glove.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

I think it's pretty clear that Rule 2.00 CATCH makes a distinction between the fielder's glove and the fielder's uniform. As examples of parts of a uniform, the rule cites "cap, protector, pocket". I also think a common sense interpretation is that the glove is not part of the uniform. Also, 7.05 makes a clear distinction between using detached parts of the uniform (7.05(b) and (d)) and a detached glove (7.05(c) and (e)). See also comment to Rule 8.02(a)

Finally, Rule 3.15 does not allow players to be on the field unless they are "in uniform". If the uniform included the glove, players would always have to carry their glove while on the field, which they obviously are not required to do.

I'd say making a catch using a securely held glove in which the fielder has not inserted his fingers is still a catch and legal. The glove is not part of the "uniform" and has not been thrown.

I bet you'd lose the protest. It's the ball that has to be held securely (not stuck in the glove, held securely) . Hard to do if your fingers aren't in the glove. The throw-the-ball-stuck-in-the-glove play is only an out when the reveiving fielder holds the ball/glove combo securely in his hand or glove.

[Larry1953]

Originally Posted by bsaucer

Can a fielder catch a ball with his glove if he is not wearing it, but marely holding it in his hands?

What is a reasonably plausible circumstance where this might happen? Short of the "line drive knocks glove off" scenario it is hard to think of one.

How about this: F3 (LH) goes to the dugout railing for a foul pop. He realizes he can't reach it back-handed so he takes the glove off his right hand and holds it by the fingertips with his left hand for maximum extension. The ball falls in the pocket which allows F3 to flick it back into play where F2 catches it on the rebound (sort of like the catch Rose made). Anything illegal about this catch?

[rbmartin]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

What is a reasonably plausible circumstance where this might happen? Short of the "line drive knocks glove off" scenario it is hard to think of one.

How about this: F3 (LH) goes to the dugout railing for a foul pop. He realizes he can't reach it back-handed so he takes the glove off his right hand and holds it by the fingertips with his left hand for maximum extension. The ball falls in the pocket which allows F3 to flick it back into play where F2 catches it on the rebound (sort of like the catch Rose made). Anything illegal about this catch?

Why doesn't he just use a butterfly net, then secure it in his hand? Anything illegal about that catch?

[Larry1953]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

Why doesn't he just use a butterfly net, then secure it in his hand? Anything illegal about that catch?

Sorry, the OP seemed a little implausible at most levels of ball. Maybe in LL, a player might take his glove off while a pitch is on its way and make a miraculous catch holding the glove in the wrong hand.

There was a play in Colt .45 lore where a knuckleball pitcher gave up a double that was likely going to score R1. The catcher was wearing the oversized knuckleball mitt allowed back then. The pitcher tossed his glove to the catcher to increase the odds of holding on to the ball during the tag.

From AstrosDaily

Bobby Tiefenauer
Full name: Bobby Gene Tiefenauer
Born: 12/10/29, Desloge, MO
Died: 6/13/00, Desloge, MO; cause not reported
Career: STL-N (1952, 55), CLE (1960), STL-N (1961), HOU (1962), MIL-N (1963-65), NYM (1965), CLE (1965, 67), CHC (1968)
Notes: Knuckleball pitcher. As a Colt .45, his catcher once used the hurler's glove to make a tag at home plate on a throw from the outfield.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

This seems similar to the case where a batted ball got stuck between the fingers of the pitcher's glove so he tossed glove/ball to F3 for the out. Here the player is essentially catching his own glove.

No, it's not.

[BSUmp16]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

Why doesn't he just use a butterfly net, then secure it in his hand? Anything illegal about that catch?

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[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

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It's a joke son.

[rbmartin]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

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Maybe this forum should supply a "Sarcasm Font".

[BSUmp16]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

Maybe this forum should supply a "Sarcasm Font".

I got the sarcasm. Got the humor too

But since you asked, the answer is "the percontation point."