Thoughts...

[DG]

Originally Posted by treydawgmt

With a Livestrong it's probably hard to deglove, but defiantly possible to constrict, tourniquet style. I've seen some crazy stuff on ambulances...

Plus, do you really want to get into large lists of what kinds of jewelry's are legal and aren't. It'll be like the bat lists. If it's plastic and 1" it's okay, 2" it's not, get out your ruler. Just say none, makes life SO much easier.

No, I would rather just forget about jewelry as a rule to enforce.

If reducing injury is the ultimate goal, then all players must wear cups, face masks are required on batting helmets, bats would be wood, no sliding is allowed, metal spikes are borbidden, and pitchers who hit a batter must be removed. These "rules" would provide infinitely more safety to players than banning jewelry.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by DG

No, I would rather just forget about jewelry as a rule to enforce.

If reducing injury is the ultimate goal, then all players must wear cups, face masks are required on batting helmets, bats would be wood, no sliding is allowed, metal spikes are borbidden, and pitchers who hit a batter must be removed. These "rules" would provide infinitely more safety to players than banning jewelry.

I don't know too many players that don't wear cups.

Visible chains can reflect sunlight directly into a batter or fielder's eyes and can lead to not seeing a ball heading directly at their noggin.

[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I don't know too many players that don't wear cups.

Visible chains can reflect sunlight directly into a batter or fielder's eyes and can lead to not seeing a ball heading directly at their noggin.

I don't do cup check so I have no idea who is or is not wearing, but I have my suspicions. I never wore a cup when playing and I was a middle infielder, all the more incentive to get glove on the ball. My sons always did but they were catchers and if not catching they could be soon.

I give up on the jewelry discussion. I don't think phiten, Livestrong or little gold chains are the least bit hazardous, but I can certainly see Mr. T attire blinding the batter when sun reflects off of it, as can the sun.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by DG

I don't do cup check so I have no idea who is or is not wearing, but I have my suspicions. I never wore a cup when playing and I was a middle infielder, all the more incentive to get glove on the ball. My sons always did but they were catchers and if not catching they could be soon.

I give up on the jewelry discussion. I don't think phiten, Livestrong or little gold chains are the least bit hazardous, but I can certainly see Mr. T attire blinding the batter when sun reflects off of it, as can the sun.

Not to belabor the point...okay, to belabor the point , the sun is fairly stationary, and doesn't suddenly flash into anybody's eyes. Seriously, Mr. T would be proud of some of the stuff that some players try to wear in games. I've never ejected anyone for jewelry, or even issued a team warning. "Take that off" has always been enough. I guess my reputation of not desiring to repeat myself precedes me wherever I go.

[David B]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Not to belabor the point...okay, to belabor the point , the sun is fairly stationary, and doesn't suddenly flash into anybody's eyes. Seriously, Mr. T would be proud of some of the stuff that some players try to wear in games. I've never ejected anyone for jewelry, or even issued a team warning. "Take that off" has always been enough. I guess my reputation of not desiring to repeat myself precedes me wherever I go.

Well said. Pretty cut and dry - and the players will do what you ask them to.

Thanks
David

[BestUmp]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

...I've never ejected anyone for jewelry, or even issued a team warning. "Take that off" has always been enough. I guess my reputation of not desiring to repeat myself precedes me wherever I go.

You guess? You are legendary. I'm surprised players attempt to skirt the rules when you are on the job.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BestUmp

You guess? You are legendary. I'm surprised players attempt to skirt the rules when you are on the job.

Me too.

[BestUmp]

Originally Posted by DG

I don't do cup check so I have no idea who is or is not wearing, but I have my suspicions.

Might I suggest that you ask each and every player, out loud, in your authoratative voice, if they are gonad protected. If, by chance, they were to receive a testicular blow that caused them to have children with flippers for arms, you would be exposed to great liability.

Originally Posted by DG

I give up on the jewelry discussion. I don't think phiten, Livestrong or little gold chains are the least bit hazardous.

I was properly officiating a game whee a player with a tiny gold cross on a tiny gold necklace slid into the base and upon popping up, hooked the nose of the defensive player slicing open a nasty gash. Blood spewed everywhere.

Since this was Latin ball, I could not require the player to remove his religious ornamentation. Nor could I use my empowers to reason firmly with him that, perhaps, Jesus wasn't happy at this juncture.

[DG]

Originally Posted by BestUmp

I was properly officiating a game whee a player with a tiny gold cross on a tiny gold necklace slid into the base and upon popping up, hooked the nose of the defensive player slicing open a nasty gash. Blood spewed everywhere.

Make a rule that forbids metal spikes, an injury possibility much more possible than a tiny gold cross, which I am still trying to visualize.

[MikeStrybel]

I have a tough time understanding umpires who pick and choose which rules they will enforce. Around here, we are rated by partners and coaches for the job we do on the field. Sure, I will probably receive a worse rating for having coaches stay inside the dugout (when not in a coaching box), enforcing the batter's box and jewelry rules, making sure bullpen catchers wear helmets and ignoring certain balks. I have been told as much - "Blue, no one calls that stuff around here." I bet they will when the playoffs roll around. I'm fairly certain that the HC won't want to see his scholarship bound catcher dumped for wearing jewelry during a late round playoff contest.

This story has been related prior. Last season, first round off playoffs: my partner ejects the starting catcher for wearing a LiveStrong type bracelet. He insisted that he warned him and 3-3-1d states that a warning shall be issued to the HC of the offending team and the next player dumped. That is pretty cut and dry. The responsibility for ensuring that his players are properly equipped is entirely the HC's. Warn, record and play. If another infraction occurs, sometimes you just have to umpire. It may appear trivial but most rules are. They only apply to those who seek ways around them.

[BestUmp]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

I have a tough time understanding umpires who pick and choose which rules they will enforce. Around here, we are rated by partners and coaches for the job we do on the field. Sure, I will probably receive a worse rating for having coaches stay inside the dugout (when not in a coaching box), enforcing the batter's box and jewelry rules, making sure bullpen catchers wear helmets and ignoring certain balks. I have been told as much - "Blue, no one calls that stuff around here." I bet they will when the playoffs roll around. I'm fairly certain that the HC won't want to see his scholarship bound catcher dumped for wearing jewelry during a late round playoff contest.

This story has been related prior. Last season, first round off playoffs: my partner ejects the starting catcher for wearing a LiveStrong type bracelet. He insisted that he warned him and 3-3-1d states that a warning shall be issued to the HC of the offending team and the next player dumped. That is pretty cut and dry. The responsibility for ensuring that his players are properly equipped is entirely the HC's. Warn, record and play. If another infraction occurs, sometimes you just have to umpire. It may appear trivial but most rules are. They only apply to those who seek ways around them.

Mike, well spoken!

We are arbiters not rule makers unless, of course, we are on the Rules Making Committee.

[BestUmp]

Originally Posted by DG

Make a rule that forbids metal spikes, an injury possibility much more possible than a tiny gold cross, which I am still trying to visualize.

The rule makers disagree with you most obviously. Think it has anything to do with who manufactures gold crosses and who manufactures spikes?

[DG]

Originally Posted by BestUmp

The rule makers disagree with you most obviously. Think it has anything to do with who manufactures gold crosses and who manufactures spikes?

No, I don't. I think it has do with some law suit where someone's pierced nose or ear ring got caught up somehow and removed someone's nose or ear. So FED and most youth leagues have adopted a jewelry rule and it has applied to a host of stuff that I find difficult to fathom causing injury, like phiten necklaces and Livestrong bracelets.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by DG

Make a rule that forbids metal spikes, an injury possibility much more possible than a tiny gold cross, which I am still trying to visualize.

Metal spikes serve a playing purpose. A gold cross does nothing.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BestUmp

Might I suggest that you ask each and every player, out loud, in your authoratative voice, if they are gonad protected. If, by chance, they were to receive a testicular blow that caused them to have children with flippers for arms, you would be exposed to great liability.



I was properly officiating a game whee a player with a tiny gold cross on a tiny gold necklace slid into the base and upon popping up, hooked the nose of the defensive player slicing open a nasty gash. Blood spewed everywhere.

Since this was Latin ball, I could not require the player to remove his religious ornamentation. Nor could I use my empowers to reason firmly with him that, perhaps, Jesus wasn't happy at this juncture.

Yeah, that happened.