Dale Scott calls a ball foul then fair

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I can't believe so many of you are pretending like there aren't any issues with him putting his hands up (not initially) but then in the screen shot that is a foul, time mechanic. Call it what you want, but it ain't nothing. Nobody's on here is saying that we're perfect, but to blindly defend a major error is scary. I know for a fact that I've put my arms up like I'm trying to get out of the way and it has never burned me before...but I'm learning from this and keeping my hands down for sure.

I think w/ 4 of them out there, they could've called it foul and stuck with what he called and they would've been okay.

Oh there were definite issues with him putting his hands up and we may never no exactly why but, maybe , just maybe he stuck with what he had because in his mind that was the right call. Maybe by now he also sees how bad it looked but, at that time though, with all his experience, and in his mind, the right decision was made and that is why he stuck with it.

I am given him the benefit of the doubt here because of the professional he is. I also realize that he just may have screwed the pooch and didn't want to come clean but .............. I find it hard to believe he got where he is being that devious all the time.

[David B]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Oh there were definite issues with him putting his hands up and we may never no exactly why but, maybe , just maybe he stuck with what he had because in his mind that was the right call. Maybe by now he also sees how bad it looked but, at that time though, with all his experience, and in his mind, the right decision was made and that is why he stuck with it.

I am given him the benefit of the doubt here because of the professional he is. I also realize that he just may have screwed the pooch and didn't want to come clean but .............. I find it hard to believe he got where he is being that devious all the time.

And the fact that there are three other umpires who called "nothing" tells me that it was NOT that obvious in real time what he had. (they were probably confused also)

He was left on his own, he made the call, and as they say "now its over but the cryin',

thanks
David

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Oh there were definite issues with him putting his hands up and we may never no exactly why but, maybe , just maybe he stuck with what he had because in his mind that was the right call. Maybe by now he also sees how bad it looked but, at that time though, with all his experience, and in his mind, the right decision was made and that is why he stuck with it.

I am given him the benefit of the doubt here because of the professional he is. I also realize that he just may have screwed the pooch and didn't want to come clean but .............. I find it hard to believe he got where he is being that devious all the time.

You have made several excellent points here.

[kylejt]

I'm all for the base umpires letting things play out, and calling outs in real time.

But when the dust settled, they had to have seen their PU gesture TIME!, and should have told him so.

[JRutledge]

All I can say is it matters to me what came out of his mouth. I can see how players might react to initial actions of the umpire, but if they did not hear anything they need to act like a ball is live. They also could have been reacting to the batter, which they act like is the case in other situations.

Peace

[SAump]

Here are some interesting facts about the play and, more important, the last paragraph is the response from MLB.

Dodgers turn first 2-5-6-3 triple play in history but Padres cry foul over umpire?s actions | Big League Stew - Yahoo! Sports

The ball kicks off the left side of the plate which is over fair territory. While I believe the ball is foul, it is difficult to tell if the ball rolled off the left side of the plate into foul territory inches away from the left side of the plate. Looking at the play, F2 straddles the plate and picks the ball up in front of his right foot which is over foul territory. Is this a foul ball? Perhaps an overhead view from the camera, if one exists, would be more definitive. Does anyone here think the ball is in front of the plate?

[jicecone]

"At no time did the umpire verbally kill the play on the field." Quote MLB

Which means:

HE DIDN'T SAY NUTTIN!

[David B]

Originally Posted by jicecone

"At no time did the umpire verbally kill the play on the field." Quote MLB

Which means:

HE DIDN'T SAY NUTTIN!

I think that's something that I can learn from and certainly others too. Hand motions are important part of what we do; however, the verbal communication is the determining factor. It's nice to see that verbalized by MLB.

In reading the article, I like what F2 said about learning to make the plays etc., that's what they have been taught since HS.

I also like what Jeff said about the players really reacting to the batter and not the umpire. Once they did that, and F2 followed through with the play, they were toast.

Thanks
David

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by jicecone

"At no time did the umpire verbally kill the play on the field." Quote MLB

Which means:

HE DIDN'T SAY NUTTIN!

Doug Eddings would be proud.