batwarmer

Rich Ives · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 05, 2012, 10:27am

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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

You answered your own question. Having to apply an artificial source of heat to the bat is an attempt to gain an advantage. As the father of a young pitcher, I see this as dangerous cheating.

It's not dangerous because the bat would be at the same temperature it would be on a normal 90 degree day.

Or is playing on a 90 degree day dangerous?

kylejt · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 05, 2012, 10:39am

I fully understand Mike's concern, if heating up a bat would make it perform beyond it's ratings, and not just up to it.

Which begs the next question: Do testing facilities ever test at different temperatures? I'm guessing they don't.

jicecone · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 05, 2012, 11:37am

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Originally Posted by kylejt

I fully understand Mike's concern, if heating up a bat would make it perform beyond it's ratings, and not just up to it.

Which begs the next question: Do testing facilities ever test at different temperatures? I'm guessing they don't.

Any testing lab that does'nt, certainlly isn't one I would want to certify my product though.

By the way, I did a 12 inning HS scrimmage yesterday and one team used wood bats and the other BBCOR certified alluminum. 75 deg for entire game and one school was State Champions last year and the other was fairly matched in talent. Not sure if it was all bat performance or early season player performance however this was not a slugging contest. Many players commented about getting good contact with BBCOR, seems to be more important with the new bats, rather than any type of contact. Just under 3 hours for entire scrimmage. Three of us rotated 4 innings each on the dish. If this is any indications of the upcoming season. It works for me.

Cobra · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 05, 2012, 02:26pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt

I fully understand Mike's concern, if heating up a bat would make it perform beyond it's ratings, and not just up to it.

Which begs the next question: Do testing facilities ever test at different temperatures? I'm guessing they don't.

Begs the question is not the same as "makes me wonder" or "raises the question". Begs the question actually begs a specific question, one cannot just make up any old question that is being begged. The question that is being begged is "what is the support for your argument?"

Begs the question is used when an argument is circular and makes no sense or is invalid.

Person 1: "This food is tasty because it is delicious."
Person 2: "That begs the question."

Tasty and delicious basically mean the same thing. Saying that something is tasty because it is delicious is not a valid argument. This begs the question. Person 1 must better support their argument about why the food is tasty.

kylejt · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 05, 2012, 07:14pm

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Originally Posted by Cobra

Begs the question is not the same as "makes me wonder" or "raises the question". Begs the question actually begs a specific question, one cannot just make up any old question that is being begged. The question that is being begged is "what is the support for your argument?"

Begs the question is used when an argument is circular and makes no sense or is invalid.

Person 1: "This food is tasty because it is delicious."
Person 2: "That begs the question."

Tasty and delicious basically mean the same thing. Saying that something is tasty because it is delicious is not a valid argument. This begs the question. Person 1 must better support their argument about why the food is tasty.

I beg your pardon.

(I wonder what your plate conferences are like)

jkumpire · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 05, 2012, 07:58pm

... Only if I can use it in between innings to warm my hands on a cold day when I have the plate. Other than that they should be illegal....

BretMan · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 06, 2012, 11:10am

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Originally Posted by kylejt

I beg your pardon.

(I wonder what your plate conferences are like)

Using "begs the question" improperly is just one of those common grammatical glitches, like saying, "I could care less", when you really mean, "I couldn't care less". Google the phrase. You'll find more than you ever wanted to know about it's usage.

kylejt · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 06, 2012, 11:15am

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Originally Posted by BretMan

Using "begs the question" improperly is just one of those common grammatical glitches, like saying, "I could care less", when you really mean, "I couldn't care less". Google the phrase. You'll find more than you ever wanted to know about it's usage.

Irregardless, I still want to know what his plate conferences are like.

(yeah, I know)

BretMan · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 06, 2012, 11:32am

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Originally Posted by kylejt

Irregardless...

Rich Ives · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 05, 2012, 03:55pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt

I fully understand Mike's concern, if heating up a bat would make it perform beyond it's ratings, and not just up to it.

Which begs the next question: Do testing facilities ever test at different temperatures? I'm guessing they don't.

You missed my point.

yawetag · #11 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 05, 2012, 04:09pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives

It's not dangerous because the bat would be at the same temperature it would be on a normal 90 degree day.

Or is playing on a 90 degree day dangerous?

Warming a bat to 90 degrees doesn't equate it to being played in 90-degree weather.

Matt · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 05, 2012, 10:29pm

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Originally Posted by yawetag

Warming a bat to 90 degrees doesn't equate it to being played in 90-degree weather.

You're right. A bat in 90-degree weather would be much warmer than 90 degrees.

MikeStrybel · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 06, 2012, 07:55am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives

It's not dangerous because the bat would be at the same temperature it would be on a normal 90 degree day.

Or is playing on a 90 degree day dangerous?

No Rich, you are mistaken. Bats should respond the same way given ambient temperatures. Warming one with artificial means in order to induce an advantage (we know that it does) is not fair play.

Rich Ives · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 07, 2012, 10:54am

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Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

No Rich, you are mistaken. Bats should respond the same way given ambient temperatures. Warming one with artificial means in order to induce an advantage (we know that it does) is not fair play.

The issue you raised was dangerous. I challenged that part of your post. A 90 degeree bat is a 90 degree bat - doesn't matter how it got to 90 degrees. If it's safe at 90 ambient it's safe artificially warmed to 90.

MikeStrybel · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 08, 2012, 08:20am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives

The issue you raised was dangerous. I challenged that part of your post. A 90 degeree bat is a 90 degree bat - doesn't matter how it got to 90 degrees. If it's safe at 90 ambient it's safe artificially warmed to 90.

Yes Rich, it does matter. Artificially heating a bat will cause it to react differently than it normally would. THAT is why it is illegal. Artificially heating a bat creates an unfair advantage when it is cold. It is akin to scuffing a ball - it changes the dynamics of what is expected.

Another member wrote that it will make the bat expand and become more brittle. That may be the case and if so is another reason why artificially heating a bat when it is cold outside is a problem. Composite bats tend to break at the handle, not the barrel, during cold weather. You don't create a safer bat by heating the barrel.