Baseball question from a football/basketball ref.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Honestly zebras, it's time to man up.

This is my point when I say "baseball mentality." You are so worried about your ego or your manhood that you think that officials are taking crap when they clearly are not. And watching big time college basketball, I can say with certainty that the Valentines, Hightowers, Burrs and O'Neils of the world are afraid of coaches saying something to them. Or better yet are afraid to penalize a coach for their behavior.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What level of basketball are you used to watching and where? Definitely not anywhere near where I watch.

Agreed.

Peace

[kylejt]

HS Varsity, JC and D1.

You'll see coaches just rail at officials from either four feet away, or across the court.

It's not an ego thing, just common courtesy. The level of #@$ taken in other sports is far beyond that of what we deem acceptable on the diamond. I mean, we dump on the first blathering of "...YOU....", whereas other officials just act like they don't even hear it. I just find it odd.

Maybe it's a baseball thing, and we've got it all wrong. You see far more ejections in baseball than all other sports. So why is that?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Maybe it's a baseball thing, and we've got it all wrong. You see far more ejections in baseball than all other sports. So why is that?

Because baseball has always been considered "a gentlemens game"?

Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kylejt

HS Varsity, JC and D1.

You'll see coaches just rail at officials from either four feet away, or across the court.

I work a lot of games and I watch more games and many in person. Sorry, I see nothing different from a basketball point of view that I do not see in baseball as it relates to complaining. More coaches in baseball are yelling from 100 feet away than I ever get in basketball games. And if they are yelling from far away, it usually is addressed. Just because they are not throwing them out (which is your baseball mentality to handed the situation and you admitted to) does not mean they are not handing the situation in another way. Basketball officials do not need to throw people out to accomplish what they want.

Originally Posted by kylejt

It's not an ego thing, just common courtesy. The level of #@$ taken in other sports is far beyond that of what we deem acceptable on the diamond. I mean, we dump on the first blathering of "...YOU....", whereas other officials just act like they don't even hear it. I just find it odd.

And which is why I said that mentality often does not survive in other sports. Because to me it is a cop out to always eject someone. If you cannot think of something to say or to take over the discussion, then that says a lot. Even in baseball I know how to control the discussion with a coach and get them to do what I want without ejecting them. Also most baseball discussions take place with play stopped. Basketball play is going on continuously. Again, different sport different expectations.

Originally Posted by kylejt

Maybe it's a baseball thing, and we've got it all wrong. You see far more ejections in baseball than all other sports. So why is that?

Yes and baseball umpires are seen to be the cause of many of those situations than in other sports. Not to say basketball does not have some "confrontational" people from a public perception standpoint. But if you listen to the "public" and many ejections that take place, it is seen as the umpire overreacted. At least many confrontations with basketball officials are often seen as justified or not a shock when players or coaches are penalized.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

This was alluded to, but not focused on.

The main reason there is such a difference here is that in basketball there is a known intermediate step between nothing and ejection - the technical foul. An actual penalty that hurts the team, but keeps the coach in the game. In baseball and softball, at best you have the warning, which really holds nothing. In basketball, a coach might risk the intermediate step on purpose to rile up his team - the technical foul is PART OF the game.

I can't tell you how often I've wished for a T in baseball or softball.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Maybe it's a baseball thing, and we've got it all wrong. You see far more ejections in baseball than all other sports. So why is that?

Baseball lacks an effective intermediate penalty. Football has the 15 yard USB. Basketball has the technical foul. Soccer has the caution. What does baseball have? Nothing short of ejection.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I can't tell you how often I've wished for a T in baseball or softball.

That would be awsome!

You'd actually bring out a tee, and let a batter hit off of it. That would be a great penalty.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Baseball lacks an effective intermediate penalty. Football has the 15 yard USB. Basketball has the technical foul. Soccer has the caution. What does baseball have? Nothing short of ejection.

Well in HS you can restrict a coach to the dugout and if an assistant is ejected the head coach is also responsible and goes to the dugout. Not the case at the other levels, but I would be OK with that kind of penalty at other levels.

Peace

[David B]

Originally Posted by kylejt

That would be awsome!

You'd actually bring out a tee, and let a batter hit off of it. That would be a great penalty.

Lol,not a bad idea. Defensive coach complains, bring out the T.

But what do you do when the offense complains?

Thanks
David

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by David B

Lol,not a bad idea. Defensive coach complains, bring out the T.

But what do you do when the offense complains?

Thanks
David

The problem with coming up with a "T" for baseball is there is no way to equally effect both teams with one action. My pie in the sky idea would be to penalize the offensive team by adding an out and penalize the defensive team by awarding the current batter first base and advancing any runner forced as necessary.