No RI called in St Louis game

[Larry1953]

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | CHC@STL: Quade is ejected arguing a play at second - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

That seemed to come awfully close to RI. What are the guidelines?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | CHC@STL: Quade is ejected arguing a play at second - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

That seemed to come awfully close to RI. What are the guidelines?

Why don't you tell us why you think this is close to interference?

[umpjim]

From the PBUC: "In sliding to a base, the runner should be able to reach the base with his hand or foot."

I think he could have complied with that but he didn't reach for the base.*

But wait, there is more: "A runner who, in the judgement of the umpire, contacts or attempts to make contact with a fielder with a slide or roll block that is not a bona fide effort to reach and stay on the base may be called out for interference and, when appropriate a double play may be called.
Any different change in direction by the runner to contact the fielder would be considered interference.
If a runner hits the dirt, slides, and rolls, it does not constitute a rolling block unless the runner leaves his feet and makes contact with the fielder before the runner slides on the ground. If the initial contact is with the fielder instead of the ground for the purpose of breaking up a double play, it is a roll block."

I have INT on that play but I don't ump in the pros.

[Rich Ives]

Legal slide.

He COULD have reched the base. He doesn't actually have to as long as he's close enough to do it IF.

This isn't kiddie ball.

[ontheway]

Intention is 100% clear as day in that video. Im shocked it was not called.

[Larry1953]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Why don't you tell us why you think this is close to interference?

Because Holliday could not have touched the base with his left hand as he was almost standing up as he went past it. At the time he made contact with F6 his body position was such that he could not have have touched the bag, nor was there a time after he made contact where he could have touched the bag.

[biggravy]

This. is. really. tough. to. type...

But I actually agree w/ Larry. Horizontally, he was within reach of the bag, but vertically he was too upright where he could don't have reached down to touch the bag until after he was past it.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ontheway

Intention is 100% clear as day in that video. Im shocked it was not called.

Intention is 100% irrelevant. I'm shocked you would mention it.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

Because Holliday could not have touched the base with his left hand as he was almost standing up as he went past it. At the time he made contact with F6 his body position was such that he could not have have touched the bag, nor was there a time after he made contact where he could have touched the bag.

He was close enought to the base to be able to touch it. That's all that's required in pro ball.

Lower levels it's a different issue, but in pro it's OK.

[Rich]

I agree. I think he slid late, but the intention of the sliding runner is to ALWAYS break up the double play. The contact was not above the knee and the runner was close to second base. I had no problem with it watching the game live and still have no problem with the play a day later.

I do still think Quade's a complete a$$hat, though. His shelf life as a ML manager won't be too long, though.

[Larry1953]

I don't see Holliday make a bona fide attempt to reach the bag.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

I don't see Holliday make a bona fide attempt to reach the bag.

He doesn't have to. He only has to "be able to" reach with a hand or a foot.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

I don't see Holliday make a bona fide attempt to reach the bag.

Same as RichMSN

[ozzy6900]

Rich Ives and RichMSN have the correct call. It's Pro Ball, people, not youth, NCAA or HS ball. All the runner has to do in Pro Ball is be able to reach the base with a hand, he does not have to do it.

In NCAA and FED, this would be a double play because we have either have an illegal slide or deliberate attempt to take out a player. In youth ball, I hope the same for safety's sake.

[Larry1953]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Rich Ives and RichMSN have the correct call. It's Pro Ball, people, not youth, NCAA or HS ball. All the runner has to do in Pro Ball is be able to reach the base with a hand, he does not have to do it.

In NCAA and FED, this would be a double play because we have either have an illegal slide or deliberate attempt to take out a player. In youth ball, I hope the same for safety's sake.

Hence the "neighborhood play". The middle fielders need some relief if that much latitude is given to the runner or it is unlikely they would make it through a season. The problem is, slo-mo HD replay easily shows the neighborhood play, but RI is completely umpire's judgment. Surely RI will be called before the season is over and I'd like to compare that (eventual) call with this one. It would have been nice to have seen Holladay make at least a hint of a gesture to touch the bag to satisfy what has been quoted out of the umpire's manual.