No RI called in St Louis game

[Larry1953]

I don't see Holliday make a bona fide attempt to reach the bag.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

I don't see Holliday make a bona fide attempt to reach the bag.

He doesn't have to. He only has to "be able to" reach with a hand or a foot.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

I don't see Holliday make a bona fide attempt to reach the bag.

Same as RichMSN

[ozzy6900]

Rich Ives and RichMSN have the correct call. It's Pro Ball, people, not youth, NCAA or HS ball. All the runner has to do in Pro Ball is be able to reach the base with a hand, he does not have to do it.

In NCAA and FED, this would be a double play because we have either have an illegal slide or deliberate attempt to take out a player. In youth ball, I hope the same for safety's sake.

[Larry1953]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Rich Ives and RichMSN have the correct call. It's Pro Ball, people, not youth, NCAA or HS ball. All the runner has to do in Pro Ball is be able to reach the base with a hand, he does not have to do it.

In NCAA and FED, this would be a double play because we have either have an illegal slide or deliberate attempt to take out a player. In youth ball, I hope the same for safety's sake.

Hence the "neighborhood play". The middle fielders need some relief if that much latitude is given to the runner or it is unlikely they would make it through a season. The problem is, slo-mo HD replay easily shows the neighborhood play, but RI is completely umpire's judgment. Surely RI will be called before the season is over and I'd like to compare that (eventual) call with this one. It would have been nice to have seen Holladay make at least a hint of a gesture to touch the bag to satisfy what has been quoted out of the umpire's manual.

[DG]

The way it is called in MLB, the rule is near meaningless. Since most players are 6' tall or more, and arms can add to that, you would have to run toward the fielder 8+ feet from the bag to get a remote chance of it being called.

[Larry1953]

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This is as close as he got to the bag. Agreed, he was probably close enough. Problem is Holliday is 6'5" and that can span a lot of ground out there

[johnnyg08]

Seems like there grounds to call INT on this play and you're probably not going to get anybody to eject themselves. By not calling it....is trouble really, was the runner doing an action that will willful and deliberate with the intention of breaking up a double play....in my eyes, yes he was, so I called it. Discussion over.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

was the runner doing an action that will willful and deliberate with the intention of breaking up a double play....in my eyes, yes he was, so I called it. Discussion over.

So, why is this illegal? There is no rule against breaking up a double play.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Matt

So, why is this illegal? There is no rule against breaking up a double play.

Yeah, I agree with you Matt.

I suppose. Maybe we have two of the three...I think we have "willful," I think we have "deliberate," but I don't think we have "unsportsmanlike"

Maybe it's not under straight OBR.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

was the runner doing an action that will willful and deliberate with the intention of breaking up a double play

Rule cite?

[SAWolf]

The MLB rules say:

6.05 A batter is out when:
(m) A preceding runner shall, in the umpire’s judgment, intentionally interfere with a fielder who is attempting to catch a thrown ball or to throw a ball in an attempt to complete any play:
Rule 6.05(m) Comment: The objective of this rule is to penalize the offensive team for deliberate, unwarranted, unsportsmanlike action by the runner in leaving the baseline for the obvious purpose of crashing the pivot man on a double play, rather than trying to reach the base.
Obviously this is an umpire’s judgment play.

Where do you find all the extra stuff about being close enough to touch the base? It just seems to hinge on the umpire judging whether or not this applies?

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Rich Ives and RichMSN have the correct call. It's Pro Ball, people, not youth, NCAA or HS ball. All the runner has to do in Pro Ball is be able to reach the base with a hand, he does not have to do it.

He would have had to possess an 8-feet arm then to reach that base. This was interference.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by UMP25

He would have had to possess an 8-feet arm then to reach that base. This was interference.

I'm not seeing ANY reference to the runner's ARM in the rule. Do you? Runner has feet too.

[UMP25]

The feet aren't in play here, because they were toward right field, as he was sliding to the right of the bag with his feet away from the base. He'd have to possess 15-foot legs then.