Double play to end inning (one tag, one force)

[JJ]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

True. It may not meet the full definition of a force out as specified in section 2.00 but the mechanics for achieving the "out" are the same.

Although OBR 10.12 (d1) uses the phrase "the fielder recovers the ball in time to force out a runner at any base", thus not specifically excluding 1st base from being called a "force out". Maybe we should chastise the authors of OBR as well.

Might as well - they made enough other mistakes!

JJ

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

True. It may not meet the full definition of a force out as specified in section 2.00 but the mechanics for achieving the "out" are the same.

Although OBR 10.12 (d1) uses the phrase "the fielder recovers the ball in time to force out a runner at any base", thus not specifically excluding 1st base from being called a "force out". Maybe we should chastise the authors of OBR as well.

Rule 10 is the scoring rule. It just tells the less than rules aware person up in the press box how to give credit for something. It has NO bearing on the definitions and playing part of the rules.

[rbmartin]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Rule 10 is the scoring rule. It just tells the less than rules aware person up in the press box how to give credit for something. It has NO bearing on the definitions and playing part of the rules.

I know that. I only refrenced it to point out that refering to a normal out at 1st as a "force out" is not that unusual, event for those well-versed in baseball. I guess what I'm saying is It's not worth arguing about.

[Larry1953]

Put-outs at first probably happen about 10 or more times per team per game. You'd think they could have come up with OBR 2.00 word that would have covered the action. It quacks like a force and waddles like a force, but it is not a force. Maybe they could call it a "broaf" - batter/runner out at first. OK, just kidding, don't bring the broadsides :-)