Double play to end inning (one tag, one force)

[bunter82]

Situation: Bases loaded 1 out

Batter grounds to third

3B tags runner advancing from 2nd to 3rd. Runner from third crosses home plate after tag. 3B steps on 2nd before runner on first reaches. Does the run count?

If not, if runner crosses home before the tag, does it count?

Thanks

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bunter82

Situation: Bases loaded 1 out

Batter grounds to third

3B tags runner advancing from 2nd to 3rd. Runner from third crosses home plate after tag. 3B steps on 2nd before runner on first reaches. Does the run count?

If not, if runner crosses home before the tag, does it count?

Thanks

Both plays are force plays. Whether a runner or a base is tagged matters not. The force results from the batter-runner putting the ball in play and forcing R1 from first (who then forces R2 from second, who then forces R3 from third).

No runs score. How does F5 run to second and put out R1 after tagging R2? Does R1 have a refrigerator strapped to his back?

[bunter82]

I was coaching third and couldn't believe it. lot of players don't understand the rules (two outs run on anything! etc). 3 unassisted double plays by the third baseman last night!

[celebur]

As Rich pointed out, the tag on R2 was a force play, but since that was only the second out, whether or not it was a force was irrelevant. All that matters is that the third out (on R1 at 2B) was a force out, so the run does not score. This is not a timing play.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by celebur

This is not a timing play.

Nor is it a time play.

[bunter82]

Thanks for the replies.

So to clarify the 3rd out is what counts. If it was runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out and the the runner advaning from second was tagged then the third out was a throw to first, the timing of the runner from 3rd crossing home is irrelevant, right?