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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 07:29am
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Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | TB@MIL: Sveum, Roenicke ejected in the sixth - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 07:35am
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I think he got it wrong.
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 07:53am
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I think he is a circus clown who needs a shave.
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 08:43am
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TH's get one right... "Bob Davidson has been known for, um, seeing things a bit differently than anyone else..."

Bad call.
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 10:04am
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I don't know how many times this season I have seen the PU keep a batter in the box after getting hit, but it is more than a few. Maybe they received some instruction on it. I was a bit more amazed at how he demonstrated the lean multiple times to Roenicke. It seems to go against the grain of what we see others doing.
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 10:12am
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I can't comment on the ejections since I don't know what was said.

I can say that I don't agree with Bob Davidson's judgment on this call. It is my opinion that he tends to be a little over officious.
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 10:32am
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I think he missed it but it shows how plays can look different from different angles -- so the next time a coach comes out to "discuss" a similar play in my game where I leave the batter at the plate, maybe the coach will be right.
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 10:47am
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I think he missed it but it shows how plays can look different from different angles -- so the next time a coach comes out to "discuss" a similar play in my game where I leave the batter at the plate, maybe the coach will be right.
Yes, Bob, but how much weight are you going to take his opinion when deciding whether or not to change your opinion?
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 11:02am
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I assume that Bob meant that given the kicked call here, a coach may be correct in thinking we did the same. While we learn how to handle situations from video like this, coaches learn that even the best boot calls and how to respond. Roenicke was right to challenge it, but obviously crossed a line. BD has a history of creating spotlights where none need be. The expected call was ignored for a more demonstrative one.

Warning - change of subject! I have noticed that MLB umpires are being more assertive on calls this year. Consider the check/half swing and you see many more being rung up than in the past. Maybe another instruction from above?
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I saw the same play called that way about a month ago. He did not try to get out of the way that is for sure. Not saying it is a good or bad call, just that the player allowed himself to get hit. I might have given him a pass on a fastball, but that looks close to me. And I can see why it was called that way.

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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 11:56am
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Roenicke was right to challenge it, but obviously crossed a line.
No offense personally...

But this understanding is part of what's wrong with MLB, and it trickles down to our levels.

WHY is he right to challenge it. He might be right that the call was wrong... but what is the benefit from "challenging" it. I HATE this mentality. If the umpire's wrong ... then we MUST go yell at him about it. WHY?!?!?! At the highest levels all it does is waste time. At lower levels, it builds you an enemy that doesn't serve your purposes. I've never understood the assumption that anyone has a "right" or worse a "requirement" to go yell at the official.
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 01:37pm
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Yes, Bob, but how much weight are you going to take his opinion when deciding whether or not to change your opinion?
I won't change the call, but rather than thinking "wtf is he out here for? that call was obvious" I might think "maybe he saw something else; i should remember to ask my partner."
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No offense personally...

But this understanding is part of what's wrong with MLB, and it trickles down to our levels.

WHY is he right to challenge it. He might be right that the call was wrong... but what is the benefit from "challenging" it. I HATE this mentality. If the umpire's wrong ... then we MUST go yell at him about it. WHY?!?!?! At the highest levels all it does is waste time. At lower levels, it builds you an enemy that doesn't serve your purposes. I've never understood the assumption that anyone has a "right" or worse a "requirement" to go yell at the official.
At that level, to show his team and his players he is fighting for them and has their back when they think they've been wronged. Pretty basic stuff.
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I think he is a circus clown who needs a shave.

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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 03:25pm
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At that level, to show his team and his players he is fighting for them and has their back when they think they've been wronged. Pretty basic stuff.
Kind of childish then, don't you think? These millionaires need to see this to get support from their coach? Pah-lease. Somehow football coaches and hockey coaches can manage to garner the support of their troops without running out onto the field stopping the game to yell at someone. Why is it accepted as the norm in baseball?
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