Comments?

[bob jenkins]

I think he missed it but it shows how plays can look different from different angles -- so the next time a coach comes out to "discuss" a similar play in my game where I leave the batter at the plate, maybe the coach will be right.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think he missed it but it shows how plays can look different from different angles -- so the next time a coach comes out to "discuss" a similar play in my game where I leave the batter at the plate, maybe the coach will be right.

Yes, Bob, but how much weight are you going to take his opinion when deciding whether or not to change your opinion?

[MikeStrybel]

I assume that Bob meant that given the kicked call here, a coach may be correct in thinking we did the same. While we learn how to handle situations from video like this, coaches learn that even the best boot calls and how to respond. Roenicke was right to challenge it, but obviously crossed a line. BD has a history of creating spotlights where none need be. The expected call was ignored for a more demonstrative one.

Warning - change of subject! I have noticed that MLB umpires are being more assertive on calls this year. Consider the check/half swing and you see many more being rung up than in the past. Maybe another instruction from above?

[JRutledge]

I saw the same play called that way about a month ago. He did not try to get out of the way that is for sure. Not saying it is a good or bad call, just that the player allowed himself to get hit. I might have given him a pass on a fastball, but that looks close to me. And I can see why it was called that way.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Roenicke was right to challenge it, but obviously crossed a line.

No offense personally...

But this understanding is part of what's wrong with MLB, and it trickles down to our levels.

WHY is he right to challenge it. He might be right that the call was wrong... but what is the benefit from "challenging" it. I HATE this mentality. If the umpire's wrong ... then we MUST go yell at him about it. WHY?!?!?! At the highest levels all it does is waste time. At lower levels, it builds you an enemy that doesn't serve your purposes. I've never understood the assumption that anyone has a "right" or worse a "requirement" to go yell at the official.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No offense personally...

But this understanding is part of what's wrong with MLB, and it trickles down to our levels.

WHY is he right to challenge it. He might be right that the call was wrong... but what is the benefit from "challenging" it. I HATE this mentality. If the umpire's wrong ... then we MUST go yell at him about it. WHY?!?!?! At the highest levels all it does is waste time. At lower levels, it builds you an enemy that doesn't serve your purposes. I've never understood the assumption that anyone has a "right" or worse a "requirement" to go yell at the official.

At that level, to show his team and his players he is fighting for them and has their back when they think they've been wronged. Pretty basic stuff.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

At that level, to show his team and his players he is fighting for them and has their back when they think they've been wronged. Pretty basic stuff.

Kind of childish then, don't you think? These millionaires need to see this to get support from their coach? Pah-lease. Somehow football coaches and hockey coaches can manage to garner the support of their troops without running out onto the field stopping the game to yell at someone. Why is it accepted as the norm in baseball?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Kind of childish then, don't you think? These millionaires need to see this to get support from their coach? Pah-lease. Somehow football coaches and hockey coaches can manage to garner the support of their troops without running out onto the field stopping the game to yell at someone. Why is it accepted as the norm in baseball?

Because baseball spends more time with these unwritten rules and traditions that other sports do not care about or does not matter. And this is why people here argue about what is a tradition they once did and unwilling to change. Just look at the umpires, we have guys that are worried about how the umpire explained the call as if that was totally unacceptable. That is why baseball holds onto stars that played 50 years ago and cannot believe that someone that just stopped playing could hit more home runs or were better athletes than some guy we never have seen much tape on. Because there are football coaches that would tell their players to be smart and to not worry about things that are happening to them, where as baseball coaches have to come out yelling or making it seem like they are yelling in order to foster the support of their players. It is a culture problem in baseball that does not seem to go away. And funny this is the least physical sport out of those and they seem to play the macho game a lot.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Yes, Bob, but how much weight are you going to take his opinion when deciding whether or not to change your opinion?

I won't change the call, but rather than thinking "wtf is he out here for? that call was obvious" I might think "maybe he saw something else; i should remember to ask my partner."

[David B]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I won't change the call, but rather than thinking "wtf is he out here for? that call was obvious" I might think "maybe he saw something else; i should remember to ask my partner."

I like that thought process. This play was an example of how an umpire can completely just blow a call, and in his mind, he probably thought he had it right until he went and watched it on video.

Thanks
David