Would you take the field with this guy?

[MikeStrybel]

Of course it's the level of ball being worked. (sigh) The problem here is some want to condemn a guy for not being them. I have worked with plenty of guys who have a clothes rod full of two of every color shirts, a variety of colored undershirts, three or four pairs of pants, four different jackets and various ball bags to match his fashion statement of the day. When on the field, fashion means little. I can just see the coach's report to the NCAA or local high school association. "Bill simply didn't have a clue outh there. He was out of position, hesitated too long on easy calls and acted too quickly on difficult ones that blew up on him. On the plus side, he looked great!"

I worked with one guy who chastised me for mixing brands in my gear. He actually had a problem with my Nike compression shirt not matching my Reebok shoes. (roll eyes and hale the fashion police)

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

"Bill simply didn't have a clue outh there. He was out of position, hesitated too long on easy calls and acted too quickly on difficult ones that blew up on him. On the plus side, he looked great!"

Part of the rating system in Missouri has coaches give scores on appearance.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It takes only a minute to wash the dirt off the shoes from the previous game.

New uniforms? Sure, not everyone can afford those. But clean ones? I've seen guys pull pants from the trunk with a belt and ball bags still attached. No hangar, no pride.

I'm not saying I like or enjoy working with them, I also agree, washing machines are avaliable just about everywhere. For me it's a matter of personnal pride and more importantly, respect for the game. I don't go have an adult beverage with them after the game. My assignor is well aware of their appearance and keeps giving them games. As I said, for the most part, they work hard on the field. If I was working in a JUCO or above game, I would work the game, call my assignor and refuse to work with him again. I do agree with the upper levels, (I've done some Independent baseball), I would be hesitant to walk on the field with them. Than again, at that level, they wouldn't be there anyway, so it's a moot point.

[umpjong]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

When on the field, fashion means little.

You surely dont believe this? At the higher levels it means a great deal. To propose that you should only concern yourself with outs and safes is a bit short sighted.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It takes only a minute to wash the dirt off the shoes from the previous game.

New uniforms? Sure, not everyone can afford those. But clean ones? I've seen guys pull pants from the trunk with a belt and ball bags still attached. No hangar, no pride.

For my education on this subject, can you tell me if those you've seen do that were upper quality umpires?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by umpjong

You surely dont believe this? At the higher levels it means a great deal. To propose that you should only concern yourself with outs and safes is a bit short sighted.

A problem exists when we try a "one size fits all" solution. Agreed that at higher levels it means much. It can even mean getting assignments or not. But it appears that in some posters' work level there is not such an emphasis on professional appearance.

[justanotherblue]

I can tell you that every upper level umpire I've ever worked with maintain their uniforms in a neat, clean and non-faded state, including their shoes period. "Those guys" are few and far between in most associations. Locally, nearly all maintain neat and clean uniforms. Again, it's respect for the game as well as one's self.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

i'm not saying i like or enjoy working with them, i also agree, washing machines are avaliable just about everywhere. For me it's a matter of personnal pride and more importantly, respect for the game. I don't go have an adult beverage with them after the game. My assignor is well aware of their appearance and keeps giving them games. As i said, for the most part, they work hard on the field. If i was working in a juco or above game, i would work the game, call my assignor and refuse to work with him again. I do agree with the upper levels, (i've done some independent baseball), i would be hesitant to walk on the field with them. Than again, at that level, they wouldn't be there anyway, so it's a moot point.

+1

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It takes only a minute to wash the dirt off the shoes from the previous game.

New uniforms? Sure, not everyone can afford those. But clean ones? I've seen guys pull pants from the trunk with a belt and ball bags still attached. No hangar, no pride.

I started when I was in college and did not have a lot of money. Had to take a loan from my parents to buy my equipment. I did buy quality off the bat (no pun intended) and I would clean anything that was dirty or out of place. I hung up all my uniform and made sure they could last without having to wash them all the time. You do not have to have a lot of stuff to just keep it looking good. In all my sports I might go weeks without washing some of my outer uniform. Now baseball is hard to do when you can get muddy and dirty really quick. But I always shined or cleaned off my shoes and I took care of my equipment. I think some guys get away with being sloppy, but that would not fly very long here. You would stick out like a sore thumb with sweats or some wind pants.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

For my education on this subject, can you tell me if those you've seen do that were upper quality umpires?

It's a relative thing. I see guys assigned as crew chiefs in sectional games in WI that haven't cleaned their shoes since they bought them. Then again, umpires are assigned directly by the state without ever being seen.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's a relative thing. I see guys assigned as crew chiefs in sectional games in WI that haven't cleaned their shoes since they bought them. Then again, umpires are assigned directly by the state without ever being seen.

I much prefer working where umpires who run associations decide who to send. Rarely do those groups get it wrong. I worked a big playoff game last year with a guys who worked a total of 5 varsity games and never to that date had worked a varsity game in the big school division. Needless to say, I worked the plate. Before the game I asked him to remove his watch and his shoes were filthy.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by umpjong

You surely dont believe this? At the higher levels it means a great deal. To propose that you should only concern yourself with outs and safes is a bit short sighted.

What don't I believe? Fashion is not part of the criteria with which I judge umpires. If you do, so be it. I choose to be value ability over being a model.

Read the original post again.

Would you take the field with a partner who is working the plate? His pants are obviously not plate pants. They are so tight around the legs that they barely fit over his shin guards. Because of this, his pants are about six inches too short. I was not working this game, but I was embarrassed to be watching it.

We are not talking about dusty shoes here. As I stated, I will take talent over appearance any day. This original post smacks of generalizing, arrogance and a lack of professional demeanor. I will work with whomever is assigned to that contest. I may not like them, but for a couple hours I am their best friend and support staff. How they look matters little to me, as long as they are safe and up to the job. I once worked a college game with a guy who forgot his base shoes. He worked the whole game (9 innings) in his old +POS low cuts and nailed the calls that came his way, though a step slower for certain. I have also worked games where the guy forgot to grab his plate pants before heading to work (then directly to the game) and looked like a sausage. With the crazy weather we get here, a guys may have multiple plate games in a row and in pretty ugly weather. I'll cut him some slack if he kicks packing them over a call.

In states where appearance is part of the ratings equation, he probably would suffer from those who are short sighted. Here in Illinois, high school contests are supposed to see umpires wearing navy blue shirts (or jackets)with an IHSA patch visible on the left sleeve. I see most preferring black and some don't have the patch. Amazingly, when playoff assignments come around they find their IHSA hats and shirt with patch though. Apparently, the coaches around here who rate them all year care more about quality than following official guidelines. While I would prefer them to be dressed appropriately, my partners were largely exceptional this year. That's a good trade.

[UmpJM]

Mike,

FYI, Illinois has adopted the "any color, as long as you match" by state adoption option specified in FED. At least for regular season.

The patch requirement has not been waived, though the IHSA patch looks fugly on any color other than Navy, IMO.

Black just looks "badder". Plus, it doesn't make my butt look big!

JM

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

In states where appearance is part of the ratings equation, he probably would suffer from those who are short sighted. Here in Illinois, high school contests are supposed to see umpires wearing navy blue shirts (or jackets)with an IHSA patch visible on the left sleeve. I see most preferring black and some don't have the patch. Amazingly, when playoff assignments come around they find their IHSA hats and shirt with patch though. Apparently, the coaches around here who rate them all year care more about quality than following official guidelines. While I would prefer them to be dressed appropriately, my partners were largely exceptional this year. That's a good trade.

Considering that the coaches ratings are only a very small percentage of the overall rating system I am not sure that makes as much of a difference. Then again in all my years of working baseball in this state, I can only think of one guy that did not wear a patch and worked the post season. He did not work the next year (I think someone told on him).

Peace

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

FYI, Illinois has adopted the "any color, as long as you match" by state adoption option specified in FED. At least for regular season.

Missouri needs to take a lesson from Illinois.