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Then they get to MLB and all of a sudden its "gloves off". Interesting to read on ESPN what some old MLB players said. Obviously they don't have a inkling that today in college and in HS there are rules to protect the F2. Many of the comments were "there is no way to govern what happens at the plate etc., " Guess it shows a little head in the sand for those guys. I agree that most collisions at the plate are unnecessary - and that the runner would have scored anyway. Thanks David 
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Many of today's MLB players did not grow up with Fed or NCAA rules. OBR governs much of the planet from adolescents on up. They permit take out slides, brush backs and MC. We have those rules because of litigation and a desire to protect. Much of the world plays hardnosed baseball.
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Then again, your point could be that a high number of players are from foreign countries. this 2005 study showed only 30% of the players were "International." I think it's simply that they, like most players and coaches, were ignorant to the rules when they were in high school.
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I think it's simply that they, like most players and coaches, were ignorant to the rules when they were in high school.
When I was playing in school and college (1964-1970), I thought I knew a lot about the rules (ha ha!), and yet I wasn't even aware that separate rules existed for high school, college, and MLB. I knew that my college coach was on the NCAA rules committee, but even then I thought simply that, on the field, baseball rules were baseball rules. I think that back then American Legion used OBR, with a few minor exceptions that didn't involve actual play. No crash rule, no FPSR, no dead ball appeals, etc. I coached high school baseball for a couple of years after college. If we were indeed covered by FED, I'd love to see a book from those days (eBay?). At the time, I wasn't even aware that one existed. My authority was a 49-cent folded brochure of OBR rules, in very small print.
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