Can I assist my fellow runner?

soundedlikeastrike · #1 (**permalink**) Sat May 21, 2011, 09:47am

Last night M's, Padres.

1 out R1, R3.
FB to the LC gap.

F7 makes a long run gets to the ball appears to snag it, but then clearly drops it, no catch is the correct call.

R1 advances towards 2B on the fly, goes maybe 7/8's the way, see's the ball is reached, turns and hustles back to 1B thinking it was caught.

BR rounding first runs into and pushes R1 back towards 2b, he does not pass R1.

R1 heads for 2B, the throw from F8 forces R1 at 2nd, BU signals an out on the force.

Umpires huddle up (unprovoked by either team, that I could tell).

Announcer watching the replay say's; "oh, he (BR) touched him (R1).

PU calls OHC out and splains something to him, points at BR now R1 and rings him up, then pulls the forced R1 out of the dugout and places him on 2nd.

I do not know if they actually called the BR out because he assisted R1 or if they actually thought he passed R1?

SanDiegoSteve · #2 (**permalink**) Sat May 21, 2011, 10:00am

I was not watching, but there is no rule prohibiting assisting a fellow runner unless passed. Coaches can't help, but runners can. The BR must have passed R1.

Anyone with a link?

yawetag · #3 (**permalink**) Sat May 21, 2011, 10:12am

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15023115

He didn't pass him. Unless there's something I'm missing, it was a horrible call.

According to MLB's play-by-play: Ryan Ludwick singles on a fly ball to center fielder Franklin Gutierrez. Chris Denorfia scores. Jason Bartlett to 2nd. Ryan Ludwick out at 1st, first baseman Justin Smoak.

According to Yahoo!: The Padres avoided their ninth shutout when Peguero couldn’t hang on to Ludwick’s fly ball as he tried to make a diving catch. Ludwick’s single scored Chris Denorfia(notes), but Ludwick was called out for passing Jason Bartlett(notes), who had turned back to first base, thinking Peguero had made the catch.

soundedlikeastrike · #4 (**permalink**) Sat May 21, 2011, 10:26am

And we wonder how BB myth's get started.

Thousand of fans in attendance and watching on the tube, now know that you can't "touch" a fellow runner.

There was absolutely no doubt, BR did not pass R1.

yawetag · #5 (**permalink**) Sat May 21, 2011, 10:31am

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Originally Posted by soundedlikeastrike

And we wonder how BB myth's get started.

Thousand of fans in attendance and watching on the tube, now know that you can't "touch" a fellow runner.

There was absolutely no doubt, BR did not pass R1.

They'll just make an interp next year that says the umpires were right.

umpjim · #6 (**permalink**) Sat May 21, 2011, 02:37pm

Makes sense. If a retired or scored runner can not aid a fellow runner, as interpreted last year, then obviously a fellow runner can not aid another. The question is who to call out?
Besides, when MLB tells McClelland he was wrong he's just going to disagree with them anyway.

DG · #7 (**permalink**) Sat May 21, 2011, 09:17pm

The results indicate the BR passed, so R1 was placed at 2b, since he was not tagged on advance.

BR did not pass, it did not appear.

JJ · #8 (**permalink**) Sun May 22, 2011, 08:40am

Wow. And there was an umpire looking directly at the two players involved. At least I'm not the only one who makes a bad call now and then...

JJ

bob jenkins · #9 (**permalink**) Sun May 22, 2011, 09:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ

Wow. And there was an umpire looking directly at the two players involved. At least I'm not the only one who makes a bad call now and then...

JJ

I've always thought I was qualified to be a MLB ump.

MD Longhorn · #10 (**permalink**) Mon May 23, 2011, 08:09am

Oh my. Now we have to un-teach this to thousands of coaches out there. Way to go, big guys.

Ump29 · #11 (**permalink**) Mon May 23, 2011, 10:57am

If you look closely, the PU makes a pushing motion when explaining the call. Could this be the call - helping the runner by pushing ? Therefore BR out and R1 at 2.

yawetag · #12 (**permalink**) Mon May 23, 2011, 11:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ump29

If you look closely, the PU makes a pushing motion when explaining the call. Could this be the call - helping the runner by pushing ? Therefore BR out and R1 at 2.

Got a cite for that rule in any book?

Ump29 · #13 (**permalink**) Mon May 23, 2011, 11:07am

No. Just guessing that that was the call.

Chris Viverito · #14 (**permalink**) Mon May 23, 2011, 11:53am

Probably a trivial technical detail, but Ludwick's right foot seems to step 'past' Bartlett as he turned around. Perhaps that is the 'pass'.

It begs the question - when is a runner considered to have passed?

yawetag · #15 (**permalink**) Mon May 23, 2011, 11:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Viverito

Probably a trivial technical detail, but Ludwick's right foot seems to step 'past' Bartlett as he turned around. Perhaps that is the 'pass'.

It begs the question - when is a runner considered to have passed?

I've been taught the trailing runner must have his complete body past the leading runner.

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