Can I assist my fellow runner?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by yawetag

I've been taught the trailing runner must have his complete body past the leading runner.

+1

Passed is completely past, not adjacent or nearby.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Ump29

If you look closely, the PU makes a pushing motion when explaining the call. Could this be the call - helping the runner by pushing ? Therefore BR out and R1 at 2.

Yes, I see that motion. However - that's not illegal. I hate umpires that invent rules. Truly sucks that they are doing it at the MLB level now.

[kylejt]

What kills me is FOUR MLB umpires got together to make this call. You'd think one would know this non-rule. Nope.

Look, these fellows aren't the brightest guys in the world, granted. But they should at least know their trade. It ain't rocket surgery out there, boys.

Oh, and Tim McClelland need to retire. He's just awful, and blew a call the a couple nights later at second. And he can take Joe the fire hydrant West with him.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by kylejt

What kills me is FOUR MLB umpires got together to make this call. You'd think one would know this non-rule. Nope.

I have to think that U1, whoever it was, came in and announced that BR had passed R1. Nobody else saw it, so they took that to be correct.

So conferencing wouldn't have changed that: they simply discussed why R1 should be brought back out and put on 2B (he wasn't forced, since BR was out for passing, and he wasn't tagged).

[kylejt]

Watch Tim explain it to Buddy Black. They called the push, not a pass.

Plus, if it were a pass, R3 wouldn't have been returned to third. They called interference, which killed the play. No wait, coaches INT, would have been a live ball. Oh wait, if they're call in INT, why is R1 safe as second? Wait, what?

FUBAR, boys.

[Altor]

In which case, why wouldn't the assisted runner be the one that is out? That's who would be out if it was the base coach pushing him.

Near as I can tell, not only did they make up a rule, they misapplied it.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Watch Tim explain it to Buddy Black. They called the push, not a pass.

Plus, if it were a pass, R3 wouldn't have been returned to third. They called interference, which killed the play. No wait, coaches INT, would have been a live ball. Oh wait, if they're call in INT, why is R1 safe as second? Wait, what?

FUBAR, boys.

1. I did watch Tim. I saw him say "passing the runner."

2. There was no R3 on this play, which began with 1 out, R1 & R2.

3. R2 scored, and his run counted.

4. The call was passing the runner, BR is out. That removes the force on R1, who was safe at 2B because the defense didn't tag him.

5. Play resumed with 2 out and R2 rather than 2 out and R1, which is why Black didn't complain: he got a runner into scoring position out of it.

Once you grant the passing the runner call, they handled it absolutely correctly.

[kylejt]

R2, you're correct.

No way did the BR pass R1. It wasn't even close.

As I recall, as that replay doesn't quite spin out that far, R2 is put back at third. You see Tim heading toward the dugout again as the replay ends.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by kylejt

No way did the BR pass R1. It wasn't even close.

I agree: IMO U1 misapplied the rule concerning passing another runner.

All I'm saying is if you grant that what BR did counts as "passing," the rest of what they did was correct.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by kylejt

As I recall, as that replay doesn't quite spin out that far, R2 is put back at third. You see Tim heading toward the dugout again as the replay ends.

I think Tim was heading toward the Mariner's dugout to explain the call to Wedge.

The Padres scored just one run in the game, in the ninth, and Ludwick (called out for passing the runner) had the RBI. So R2 (Denorfia) scored on this play.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by kylejt

It ain't rocket surgery out there, boys.

Haha, I love this, My Uncle Allen used to say this one. Thanks for the smile!