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Old Mon May 09, 2011, 04:11pm
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After watching the clip (or maybe clips) the shot of Fairchild ringing up Upton and the ensuing s#*t-storm that followed.

Why would you take off your mask at that point. I was taught not to remove the mask if someone is on you like that. Makes them think twice about taking a swing at you, and BJ definitely looked like he wanted to take a swing.

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Old Mon May 09, 2011, 04:41pm
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After watching the clip (or maybe clips) the shot of Fairchild ringing up Upton and the ensuing s#*t-storm that followed.

Why would you take off your mask at that point. I was taught not to remove the mask if someone is on you like that. Makes them think twice about taking a swing at you, and BJ definitely looked like he wanted to take a swing.

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Have you EVER, ever, ever, ever seen an umpire punched at that level?

Mask on a good idea at OUR level.
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Old Tue May 10, 2011, 01:13pm
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Have you EVER, ever, ever, ever seen an umpire punched at that level?
YouTube - Jose Offerman Banned After Punching Umpire

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Old Tue May 10, 2011, 02:36pm
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Larry Bowa is an absolute rat. He is on MLB Network right now talking about the West ejection of Gardenhire and DiMuro ejection of Mattingly last night. He says that Gardenhire should get a lot of leeway because he has been around a long time and has had good teams. Says that you're not supposed to argue balls and strikes, but West shouldn't have ejected him. Also defended Francona when Angel Hernandez dumped him the other night after the balk. Criticized West for putting his hands on Francona and said that his beef wasn't with West, but West "prevented Francona from finding out what the balk was about". (Too bad he'd already been dumped and West was playing rodeo clown)

His defense of the Mattingly ejection was even worse. He claims that Mattingly and Uribe handled it good, then goes on to trash DiMuro. He says the ball was trapped, even though it looks like it hit F7's webbing in his glove. Bowa goes on to say that Mattingly "Obviously had a better viewpoint from the bench". The worse part is Bowa lying about DiMuro saying that DiMuro told Mattingly that he wasn't sure about the call. Of course then we get the "All he had to do was go ask another umpire and no one would be ejected". (Except for the Pirates manager if the call was reversed. Not to mention there was a runner on first and you would be changing a catch to a no-catch) Also said that DiMuro should have went to ask for help "Out of respect". He is a piece of crap.
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Old Tue May 10, 2011, 02:50pm
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As I recall, Bowa was the first, and maybe the only MLB coach to be ejected for refusing to wear a helmet in the coach's box, even after being warned. His statement was along the line of, "They can fine me every day, I'm never wearing an effing helmet."
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Old Tue May 10, 2011, 03:15pm
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As I recall, Bowa was the first, and maybe the only MLB coach to be ejected for refusing to wear a helmet in the coach's box, even after being warned. His statement was along the line of, "They can fine me every day, I'm never wearing an effing helmet."
And we all know how well that went...

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Old Wed May 11, 2011, 07:16am
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That video of Joe West is the classic video for the importance of "owning your own call." The second he goes to the PU for help there's nothing but trouble coming.
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Old Wed May 11, 2011, 07:32am
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YouTube - Jose Offerman Banned After Punching Umpire

It's not MLB, but it's adults in a professional league.
I still think that the umpire in Offerman's video did a pretty bad job of acting like he was punched. It doesn't negate Offie looking like a thug though.

Ever seen a baseball game in the Third World? Crazy stuff happens almost every night. Those umpires earn their pay.
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Old Tue May 10, 2011, 08:34am
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After watching the clip (or maybe clips) the shot of Fairchild ringing up Upton and the ensuing s#*t-storm that followed.

Why would you take off your mask at that point. I was taught not to remove the mask if someone is on you like that. Makes them think twice about taking a swing at you, and BJ definitely looked like he wanted to take a swing.

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Upton is the son of a D-1 NCAA basketball official. He may have looked like he wanted to take a swing, but there is zero chance he would.
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Old Tue May 10, 2011, 08:43am
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Upton is the son of a D-1 NCAA basketball official. He may have looked like he wanted to take a swing, but there is zero chance he would.
In the heat of the moment it doesn't matter who you're a son of (whether it be a D1 basketball official, the English Royal family, or a minister). People do wild things when they are displeased.

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Old Tue May 10, 2011, 08:49am
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In the heat of the moment it doesn't matter who you're a son of (whether it be a D1 basketball official, the English Royal family, or a minister). People do wild things when they are displeased.

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So, if you were/are still playing sports, are you apt to slug a ref or umpire if you get heated enough?

I would think your background and/or training would at some point click in before you crossed that line. I think that is true with most people. And as someone else pointed out, how many times had that happened at that level?
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Old Tue May 10, 2011, 10:35am
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Why did West feel the need to put his hands on the batter after his EJ? It looks to me as the coaches had him under enough control as to avoid a physical problem.
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Old Tue May 10, 2011, 12:06pm
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Why did West feel the need to put his hands on the batter after his EJ? It looks to me as the coaches had him under enough control as to avoid a physical problem.
I guess the same reason he felt like looking like a bird about to take off at 1B. He doesn't care how bad he looks or messes things up, at least that is the appearance he is giving. As long as he stays on TV one way or another, he is happy. But, BJ was pretty upset and I think he felt it was necessary to be on the safe side of things.

But, putting your hands on a player can only spell disaster just like the PU who had to toss Jim Leyland for touching one of his players. Totally different situation but could have had the same reaction probably for anyone other than Joe West since he is the head of the WUA.
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