Thoughts on this situation. (video)

[Illini_Ref]

Rich, I totally agree, but the coach jawed at the umpire as he was passing him. The umpire appeared to linger to wait on his partner, as he should.

I also think that we sometimes HAVE to act, regardless of WHEN. A coach would not allow his kids to say the same thing to him when they disagree, so he shouldn't expect to get away with it either.

For the record, this is not me, or a game I was at. I saw it on another board and thought it was good for discussion here.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Rich, I totally agree, but the coach jawed at the umpire as he was passing him. The umpire appeared to linger to wait on his partner, as he should.

I also think that we sometimes HAVE to act, regardless of WHEN. A coach would not allow his kids to say the same thing to him when they disagree, so he shouldn't expect to get away with it either.

For the record, this is not me, or a game I was at. I saw it on another board and thought it was good for discussion here.

Depends on what's said. I'd expect some jawing that normally, during the game, I'd have to stop. After the game's over, I'll give them a bit more rope because I'm heading for the car.

In this case, I have no idea what was said. The base umpire should've been quicker leaving the field, too.

[jicecone]

1. PU has fair/foul, catch/no-catch responisibilty and goes up the line. (two man sytem has him in precarious position already.

2. PU then realizes R1 may get to plate and retreats. Not quite sure he could of got best position for that play, 3b extended.

3. Ball beats runner.

4. Catcher makes nice swipe tag.

5. PU, from probably the best acheivable position he can get, makes a good call without the aid of instant replay.

6. Not quite sure what player said, so it was probaly a good EJ.

7. PU needs to head directly to gate and go home after that.

JMO

[Illini_Ref]

I'm guessing that he ejected the player for good reason. The movement towards the dugout may have been to get the correct number for the report to the state association. I will give him the benefit of the doubt on that. He appeared to be leaving but waiting for his partner (we don't know where the exit is). The coach said whatever he did while he was passing him. I see no problems with anything. Sounded like the coach said "that's G*DD*MNED ridicuolous." At the HS level, he probably needs dumped.

[Simply The Best]

Terrible positioning, lazy retreat after going out on catch/no catch; tag on back when scoring R hand and chest are clearly on or past the plate; terrible call.

EJ (hopefully) justified since the player past right by PU. 2nd EJ, if it was loud enough and egregious enough to warrant an EJ, then good on PU.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

Terrible positioning, lazy retreat after going out on catch/no catch; tag on back when scoring R hand and chest are clearly on or past the plate; terrible call.

EJ (hopefully) justified since the player past right by PU. 2nd EJ, if it was loud enough and egregious enough to warrant an EJ, then good on PU.

"Terrible positioning"? What was he supposed to do turnaround and run full speed to 3b ext? Don't think so. He has to backpeddle to keep the play in front of him.

Right hand never touched the plate. Did you look at any of the video? First hand to touch was left hand and by then F2 has the tag.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jicecone

"Terrible positioning"? What was he supposed to do turnaround and run full speed to 3b ext? Don't think so. He has to backpeddle to keep the play in front of him.

Oh, c'mon. There were 7 to 8 seconds between the the fly ball hitting the ground and the play at the plate. The PU was in fair territory. All he had to do was go the same distance in a different direction and he would have been where he should have been. It wasn't an issue of time, it was an issue of judgment.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best
Terrible positioning, lazy retreat after going out on catch/no catch; tag on back when scoring R hand and chest are clearly on or past the plate; terrible call.

EJ (hopefully) justified since the player past right by PU. 2nd EJ, if it was loud enough and egregious enough to warrant an EJ, then good on PU.

Originally Posted by jicecone

"Terrible positioning"? What was he supposed to do turnaround and run full speed to 3b ext? Don't think so. He has to backpeddle to keep the play in front of him.

You are right, I need to remember that this umpire is being paid according to his expertise and ability. For $75/hr, he has done well. My bad. My umpires earn twice that and are required to pull back and get the up the line vantage point keeping the play in front of them at all times. Which btw, the play bypassed this umpire as the throw passed him well before the slide.

Right hand never touched the plate. Did you look at any of the video? First hand to touch was left hand and by then F2 has the tag.

R = runner.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jicecone

2. PU then realizes R1 may get to plate and retreats. Not quite sure he could of got best position for that play, 3b extended.


5. PU, from probably the best acheivable position he can get, makes a good call without the aid of instant replay.


JMO

PU had time to come back to plate and move to far 1st BLX. He had time to get a better position. It was no farther away, just a different direction.
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Having the advantage to view it again, the first ejections seem to be for the runner throwing his helmet. The second to an A$$-istant coach for mouthing off as he passed by. Although I'd have preferred he got off the field, or at least away from the plate right after the play, I don't have a lot of heartburn over either one.