Thoughts on this situation. (video)

[jicecone]

1. PU has fair/foul, catch/no-catch responisibilty and goes up the line. (two man sytem has him in precarious position already.

2. PU then realizes R1 may get to plate and retreats. Not quite sure he could of got best position for that play, 3b extended.

3. Ball beats runner.

4. Catcher makes nice swipe tag.

5. PU, from probably the best acheivable position he can get, makes a good call without the aid of instant replay.

6. Not quite sure what player said, so it was probaly a good EJ.

7. PU needs to head directly to gate and go home after that.

JMO

[Illini_Ref]

I'm guessing that he ejected the player for good reason. The movement towards the dugout may have been to get the correct number for the report to the state association. I will give him the benefit of the doubt on that. He appeared to be leaving but waiting for his partner (we don't know where the exit is). The coach said whatever he did while he was passing him. I see no problems with anything. Sounded like the coach said "that's G*DD*MNED ridicuolous." At the HS level, he probably needs dumped.

[Simply The Best]

Terrible positioning, lazy retreat after going out on catch/no catch; tag on back when scoring R hand and chest are clearly on or past the plate; terrible call.

EJ (hopefully) justified since the player past right by PU. 2nd EJ, if it was loud enough and egregious enough to warrant an EJ, then good on PU.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

Terrible positioning, lazy retreat after going out on catch/no catch; tag on back when scoring R hand and chest are clearly on or past the plate; terrible call.

EJ (hopefully) justified since the player past right by PU. 2nd EJ, if it was loud enough and egregious enough to warrant an EJ, then good on PU.

"Terrible positioning"? What was he supposed to do turnaround and run full speed to 3b ext? Don't think so. He has to backpeddle to keep the play in front of him.

Right hand never touched the plate. Did you look at any of the video? First hand to touch was left hand and by then F2 has the tag.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jicecone

"Terrible positioning"? What was he supposed to do turnaround and run full speed to 3b ext? Don't think so. He has to backpeddle to keep the play in front of him.

Oh, c'mon. There were 7 to 8 seconds between the the fly ball hitting the ground and the play at the plate. The PU was in fair territory. All he had to do was go the same distance in a different direction and he would have been where he should have been. It wasn't an issue of time, it was an issue of judgment.

[TussAgee11]

Play needs to be taken 3BX extended no questions asked. Probably even a bit further towards 1B line as the swipe tag came through on the backside of the runner and that is the only position you can see through the bodies. 95% of close tag plays at the plate on batted balls should be taken 3BX anyways. That collision play really only happens if the ball is waiting there for the runner, other than that its always going to turn into swipe tag.

Player tossed his helmet a bit, I'm not looking to pick that booger. Never say never, who knows if something else was said or what. But just off the video PU seemed to lose control just the way he was walking around.

If I banged the out, I'd stay right where I was and deal with it if someone was looking for a confrontation. The player retreated to the dugout. That's where I want him to go. Unless he said something very bad, that EJ is just going to look bad. He's going away, let him go.

Then, I would NEVER turn around and say what he said to that AC. "You know what? You're done too?" Totally unprofessional. And I would NEVER return back to the plate once I walked away.

I won't pretend to know the history here or what was said, which could change everything. All I can go by is what I saw.

My jacket would probably be tucked in too.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Oh, c'mon. There were 7 to 8 seconds between the the fly ball hitting the ground and the play at the plate. The PU was in fair territory. All he had to do was go the same distance in a different direction and he would have been where he should have been. It wasn't an issue of time, it was an issue of judgment.

Im not saying he could'nt have got there, I'm just saying "terrible" is a little over-exaggarating.

[youngblue3]

Plays at the plate are all really hard. I thought the positioning wasnt bad cause it could be a blocked plate.

Call- not bad but the timeing was rushed. Hard to tell but I had him safe.

Ejections- Try to keep them in the game. First one, maybe cause the PU was right there. But the second one, the PU shouldnt have to walk back to make an ejection because if you are far enough away to have to come back then just igonre them unless they are yelling or say something personal i.e. "You suck". Walking back toward somebody to make an ejection looks really agressive.

Handling people who argue really seperates the good officials from the bad.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best
Terrible positioning, lazy retreat after going out on catch/no catch; tag on back when scoring R hand and chest are clearly on or past the plate; terrible call.

EJ (hopefully) justified since the player past right by PU. 2nd EJ, if it was loud enough and egregious enough to warrant an EJ, then good on PU.

Originally Posted by jicecone

"Terrible positioning"? What was he supposed to do turnaround and run full speed to 3b ext? Don't think so. He has to backpeddle to keep the play in front of him.

You are right, I need to remember that this umpire is being paid according to his expertise and ability. For $75/hr, he has done well. My bad. My umpires earn twice that and are required to pull back and get the up the line vantage point keeping the play in front of them at all times. Which btw, the play bypassed this umpire as the throw passed him well before the slide.

Right hand never touched the plate. Did you look at any of the video? First hand to touch was left hand and by then F2 has the tag.

R = runner.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

Originally Posted by Simply The Best
Terrible positioning, lazy retreat after going out on catch/no catch; tag on back when scoring R hand and chest are clearly on or past the plate; terrible call.

EJ (hopefully) justified since the player past right by PU. 2nd EJ, if it was loud enough and egregious enough to warrant an EJ, then good on PU.
You are right, I need to remember that this umpire is being paid according to his expertise and ability. For $75/hr, he has done well. My bad. My umpires earn twice that and are required to pull back and get the up the line vantage point keeping the play in front of them at all times. Which btw, the play bypassed this umpire as the throw passed him well before the slide.R = runner.

Who earns $75 an hour in a high school game? That's a pretty damn good high school game fee.

Not all umpires are trained as well as others, including "your" umpires, and that sometimes is reflected on the field. Not an excuse, just how it is. Most high school associations take who they can get and quite a few have a shortage of umpires.

As for the play, I'm with the guys who said he needed to get off the field whether he got the call right or not. I don't see the helmet flip if it's me and unless the player or the AC say something way out of line, I'm ignoring it and meeting my partner at the gate.

[ODJ]

$75 for east coast big cities.

This never would have happened if he just tuck in the jacket.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Who earns $75 an hour in a high school game? That's a pretty damn good high school game fee.

Don't know, very few of my trained umpires officiate FED.

Not all umpires are trained as well as others, including "your" umpires, and that sometimes is reflected on the field.

I quite agree, I have seen none as well trained and schooled in my international travels. The physical requirements alone are exceedingly stringent, book knowledge of OBR and local rule interpretations unparralleled, consistent game control, precise and unchanging mechanics and a plethora of other conditions of certification.

Not an excuse, just how it is. Most high school associations take who they can get and quite a few have a shortage of umpires.

Which is why I allowed that our lazy, plump PU in question is most probably worth his pay.

As for the play, I'm with the guys who said he needed to get off the field whether he got the call right or not. I don't see the helmet flip if it's me and unless the player or the AC say something way out of line, I'm ignoring it and meeting my partner at the gate.

Each to his own but FED rules require post game vigilance for matters involving ejectionable offenses.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

Originally Posted by [B]You are right, I need to remember that this umpire is being paid according to his expertise and ability. For $75/hr, he has done well. My bad. My umpires earn twice that and are required to pull back and get the up the line vantage point keeping the play in front of them at all times. Which btw, the play bypassed this umpire as the throw passed him well before the slide.R = runner.

Your umpires earn twice that for HS ball? Yea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you've been re-reading way too many of your opinions here.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Your umpires earn twice that for HS ball? Yea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you've been re-reading way too many of your opinions here.

Let's see...twice the $75/hour figure, so $150/hr or about $300 for HS ball. uh-huh.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jicecone

2. PU then realizes R1 may get to plate and retreats. Not quite sure he could of got best position for that play, 3b extended.


5. PU, from probably the best acheivable position he can get, makes a good call without the aid of instant replay.


JMO

PU had time to come back to plate and move to far 1st BLX. He had time to get a better position. It was no farther away, just a different direction.
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Having the advantage to view it again, the first ejections seem to be for the runner throwing his helmet. The second to an A$$-istant coach for mouthing off as he passed by. Although I'd have preferred he got off the field, or at least away from the plate right after the play, I don't have a lot of heartburn over either one.