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Sliding Question
R1. Less than 2 outs.
Batter hits a soft grounder towards F4. F4 charges and fields it in the baseline. F4 is , say, 45 feet away from 2nd base bag. Is there any rule in FED that prevents R1 from sliding into him as F4 is attempting to make the tag? |
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Well, as they say, stupid isn't illegal. I have no idea why a runner would start his slide halfway between the bases, but as long as the contact is not malicious I've simply got an attempt to avoid a tag. My bar for MC is going to be a lot lower that far from the base, though.
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I didn't know if FED had any rules about the slide having to be "at" or "near" the base. |
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I agree with Mbyron, "my bar for MC is going to be a lot lower that far from the base, though." The manner in which the runner is trying to break up the double play 45 ft from the bag, better pretty much conform to the same FPSR regulations allowed at the bag. . Taking out the fielder this far from the bag and just before reaching the bag are two different scenarios. I find very hard to believe that the runner is trying to reach the base on a direct slide into the bag, 45 feet away. Sorry Rich |
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Do the rules forbid sliding if the runner is not within X feet of the base? If the runner executes a legal slide ie leg not raised - straight - etc and makes contact with the defender is it legal? I ask because I read an SI article about Orioles manager Buck Showalter and his player mentioned Buck teaching them this. I was wondering if FED allowed it. |
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The primary principle of sliding is: a slide is never required by rule, but if a runner slides, it must be legal. No rule prohibits "taking out" a fielder just as such: we have INT for a "take out" only when the slide or contact is otherwise illegal.
A fielder with the ball trying for a tag and a double play is protected from interference, but has no "special" protection: we are not absolved from judging whether the contact was legal by the fact that there's a double play at stake. There's no "automatic" interference here on that account. The slide described is legal, even though it has no chance of reaching the base. As I said, the runner might simply have been avoiding the tag. I see nothing in the description that violates the slide or FPSR rules. If the contact is legal, then we play on.
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The fielder is usually trying to tag the runner but stay out of his way: if he slides toward the fielder in that situation, you'd very probably have an FPSR violation and an easy DP call. For HS ball I'd consider this a very low probability play for the offense. That's not how I'm reading your original play.
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Perhaps to legally(???) "take out" the F4, preventing him from completing the DP? I'm still debating (with myself, anyway) whether this would meet the 8-4-2(c) & 8-4-2(f) standard of "legally avoiding" or whether 8-4-1(h) would prevail. What do you think? Stupid, or too clever by half? JM
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Certainly possible, but that wasn't the question. What if the fielder has already "secured" the batted ball and is moving to tag the runner? JM
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That's the scenario I meant to present.
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If the act of fielding the ball was complete, maybe a slide is legal. I think FPSR standards would apply.
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