Who's Got First?

[BSUmp16]

There's more to it than "getting it right" on every individual call. Sometimes you just have to umpire. I don't have a problem with Garth's philosophy, just as long as I don't have to work with a partner that shares it.

[biggravy]

Garth, I'm confused why you come here asking the question in the OP, then 10 posts later you berate people for giving you an answer?

As described, I am not expecting my partner to have a good look at that play. He has other responsibilities. Even going to him opens a whole other can of worms. If he was on that play he just told me, and the opposing coach, that he was not watching the other runners and thus negating his area of responsibility. I have no problem getting the best look I can using two person mechanics, and then telling the coach that I will not go for help on that play. Just my two cents.

[Simply The Best]

There really needs to be a discussion about getting this call right when there has been an obvious, correctable error as in the case of the OP?

Really? Think about that.

Leaving this call unadjusted is not only the height of being unethical it is flat out cheating.

Pathetic beyond expression.

[Durham]

I agree we should work to get all called right, but unless I am mistaken, all codes say that I cannot change another umpires call and if I did my actions could be subject to protest and I would lose. The NCAA did give us a list of when the non calling umpires should step in and help without invite, but the OP isn't one of them.

The game has found away to survive this long as is, and has a process for this. The manager/HC comes out and argues the call. When that happens we have a choice and some umpires have a mechanic for this. I have worked with guys that will start down or others that remove their hat if they have something for me.

To be honest if I were the calling umpire and knew I missed a crucial element of this play, I would stop the manager/HC on his way out before he got to me and I would get my crew together. After that there isn't much that anyone could argue. I didn't give the illusion that I let the coach talk me into it, he never got close enough to talk to me. As far as the being out of position argument, that is not a conversation that a coach and I are going to have, but he is correct, I am going to have to read better.

Have a great weekend all. I get to work with 5 great guys at as great ballpark in a great city this weekend. Hope you all have as much fun as I do this weekend.

[Garth Vader]

Originally Posted by Durham

I agree we should work to get all called right, but unless I am mistaken, all codes say that I cannot change another umpires call and if I did my actions could be subject to protest and I would lose. The NCAA did give us a list of when the non calling umpires should step in and help without invite, but the OP isn't one of them.

the AA ougt to be ashamed then. in the op the PU isn't changing my call he is letting me do that by informing me I missed sonething that I couldn't see. It would be same like if there was a foot pull off the bag and Pu saw space and as BU I did not and called out.

The game has found away to survive this long as is, and has a process for this. The manager/HC comes out and argues the call. When that happens we have a choice and some umpires have a mechanic for this. I have worked with guys that will start down or others that remove their hat if they have something for me.

I don't understand so we are to let the game be played with wrong calls unless the manager sees that we are wrong? what?

To be honest if I were the calling umpire and knew I missed a crucial element of this play, I would stop the manager/HC on his way out before he got to me and I would get my crew together. After that there isn't much that anyone could argue. I didn't give the illusion that I let the coach talk me into it, he never got close enough to talk to me. As far as the being out of position argument, that is not a conversation that a coach and I are going to have, but he is correct, I am going to have to read better.

Have a great weekend all. I get to work with 5 great guys at as great ballpark in a great city this weekend. Hope you all have as much fun as I do this weekend.

Thanks.

[Garth Vader]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Garth, I'm confused why you come here asking the question in the OP, then 10 posts later you berate people for giving you an answer?

Berate the answers not the people.

As described, I am not expecting my partner to have a good look at that play. He has other responsibilities. Even going to him opens a whole other can of worms. If he was on that play he just told me, and the opposing coach, that he was not watching the other runners and thus negating his area of responsibility. I have no problem getting the best look I can using two person mechanics, and then telling the coach that I will not go for help on that play. Just my two cents.

I never would have beleived that getting the call right would be an issue here. I assumed other.

[Simply The Best]

Garth Vader, you're wasting your time, let it go. The majority has spoken and their position is crystal clear and quite telling.

[Rich]

2 posters now on the ignore list. Feel free to keep arguing with the "Three Faces of Troll," but please don't quote them so I don't have to read their idiocy.