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Runners Swap
I was just asked this question. It came from a FED clinic but same could happen under OBR.
Bottom 7th, tie game, 2 outs, although I don't think that matters. Batter hits a double, he is a slow runner. Next batter is fastest player on the team and he is intentional walked. Defensive coach goes to mound to talk with defense. Offensive coach calls runners over for discussion. When play resumes slow runner is on first and fast runner is on second. Batter hits first pitch for a hit, fast runner scores. Defensive coach comes out to complain that runners swapped. What you got? |
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I will comment later what I said. |
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Now...your question asked...what do you have...what you have is a mess...that I'm not sure you can get out of...remember, the other coach didn't catch it either. If you can write incident reports in your FED state, I would certainly do that under sportsmanship and they could be reprimanded by the state. I'm not sure if FED allows you to go back and "fix" anything like that for not catching it when it should've been caught. *you means the hypothetical "you" that we all use...not intended to be YOU personally.
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If you notice it after the swap occurs (as you should) and before the pitch, do you eject the runners and manager under 9.01 (d)
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Also, are you ejecting the runners or simply calling them out, or both? Last edited by rbmartin; Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 06:52am. Reason: added thought |
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This is a blatent attempt to circumvent the rules to gain an advantage, in other words --CHEATING. I will implement the most severe penalty I can, and that would be to call the lead runner out for passing and call the trail runner out for running the bases in reverse order. And I dare a coach who just tried to cheat to come out and argue with me. He will be in the parking lot very quickly.
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No outs when the decpetion occurs. Then B3 makes an out. Then B4 makes an out. Then B5 gets the hit referenced in the OP. Ok, so you call both runners out and eject the coach as in the ASA reference above (or both runners out and eject all as many have suggested.) All ejected parties evacuate and the "new" head coach calmly approaches the U and says: " Hey Blue, I got a problem with that call. My B2 batted first and then B1 then B3. We were very glad the D did not catch it and appeal, but all that action stands and the proper B5 got a hit. You gotta fix it." Rut ro, now what?? |
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Nice discussion, and nice question asked.
When I was first asked I thought an out for passing and a coach ejection for cheating. After the FED ruling was pointed out, I have 2 outs in a FED game, one for passing one for running backwards. I still have on ejection for coach cheating. The players who swapped did what coach told them to do, so I not eject them. I expect players to do what the coach tells them. For the batted ball, I say let it stand, batter has done nothing wrong. If an out, let it stand, more penalty for the offense. If a hit let it stand. It would only matter if there were no outs because with 1 or 2 outs, the 2 out ruling would end the inning, and the offense is not likely to pull this stunt with no outs anyway, more likely with 2 outs, maybe 1, but who would do this with no outs?. I don't know. This is definitely a situation not covered by rule or case book that I can find. My third game of season I was on bases, and late in game defense called time and offensive HC coach called runners over from 1st and 2nd. When they went back, I thought, sh*t, I did not look at numbers so have no idea if they swapped (thinking about this sit). Then coach made a sub for runner on 2b and I thought, case closed, why would he swap them and then replace lead runner? But it made me realize I must pay attention to numbers when this happens... Lesson for all, umpires can prevent this situation from happening. Last edited by DG; Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 11:20pm. |
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