Bunt Attempt

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JaxRolo

ANY movement of the bat however slight can be construed as an offer. I think it would be hard to win this protest because the Umpire can just say that the bat moved.

Not really, unless the umpire lies during the protest. He got the umpire to say that the player DID NOT offer at the ball, yet called it a strike anyway.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by JaxRolo

ANY movement of the bat however slight can be construed as an offer. I think it would be hard to win this protest because the Umpire can just say that the bat moved.

Then that umpire is a real Chicken S*** Umpire to begin with.

The dang bat is always moving.

If your not sending the batter to first because you are analyzing the minute movement of the bat, then you need more experience.

Unless it is a REAL obvious attempt here, the batter is heading to first in my games.

[DG]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You, as coach, had done EXACTLY what you needed to do in order to determine if you had a valid protest ... clarifying what PU/BU were ruling, and not telling them they were wrong ... right up until you said, "Simply not pulling your bat back is not offering at the pitch." At that moment, instead, you should have protested his misapplication of the rules. BY RULE, he was wrong.

I would have shut you down at the same moment he did. Clarify all you want - once you cross into telling the U the rules, the conversation is over. Don't do that. If a U has the RULE wrong (and not judgement), protest.

But you would have won any protest.

And I agree that the umps didn't have any clue what they were doing if they had both umpires talking to you at the same time.

Depends on where you are and who you protesting to. If a local committee of interested parties they not likely to know any better than any other fan in the stadium. Pick your protests carefully based on situation. If you winning 10-1 in the last inning, it is not a good time. If you losing 10-1 in the last inning it is not a good time. If you down 2-1 in championship game, protest...

[Gaff]

Had this same situation last year in a High School Game. Batter got drilled trying to get out of the way. Head Coach comes out and argues that he didn't pull the bat back. I told him in my judgement he didn't offer at the pitch and was awarded 1st base. Coach said that I didn't know the rules blah, blah, blah. Told him I was sure of the rule and he must be confused because his daughters play softball. Even though I was right and the coach was wrong I am no longer allowed to umpire at his school because, according to him, I don't know the rules and I am out to get him.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Gaff

Even though I was right and the coach was wrong I am no longer allowed to umpire at his school because, according to him, I don't know the rules and I am out to get him.

Look at the bright side - there are plenty of other games for you to work where you'll never see him....maybe even the State Finals!

JJ

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Gaff

Even though I was right and the coach was wrong I am no longer allowed to umpire at his school because, according to him, I don't know the rules and I am out to get him.

I dunno about you, but it sounds to me like you're in a win/win situation....

[dash_riprock]

My association would tell the coach he has zero influence on which umpires get assigned to his games.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

My association would tell the coach he has zero influence on which umpires get assigned to his games.

What post is this replying to?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

What post is this replying to?

Probably #9