2 men on base

[BK47]

Jurassic, what does a rule have to do with this particular play?

As you said, and the video clearly shows, Martinez was already on third base as Patterson was going back to third, however BEFORE Patterson makes it back to third he trips and falls and F2 tags him on the back (may have been the leg but I think it was the back) with the ball in his right hand. That is an out. Even you said you saw this and said that Patterson never retouchs third base. How can you have two people on the same base when it never happened? Even after Patterson got up to head back to the dugout (if you look closely and read his reaction even he thought he was out) he never touchs third base even as a precautionary measure. But that shouldnt matter as F2 had already tagged him for the out. But the umpires blew the call in my opinion and Patterson figures why not, I will try to score anyway, and they, the umpires, let the play continue. Why?

So with that, my questions still remains:

1. How is this a Righteous call?
2. Why is Martinez out?
3. Why didnt the third base coach put up more of a fight as he was there to witness the whole play? (maybe because he didnt know the rule? could be but how can the rule come into effect when still the point is there were never two people on the base at the same time)

If someone sees something that I dont please tell me but I clearly see Patterson getting tagged BEFORE he retouchs third base.

[BK47]

Byron, I agree with you. If they were both on the base at the same time, then it is consistent with the rule to have R2 called out if there was a tag on him. Some here says that Longoria is blocking the camera when F2 actually tagged him. That is possible I cant tell from the camera angle. But the thing is Patterson never makes it back to third from what I can see and he is tagged out first Before Martinez is supposedly is tagged.

To keep the rule intact, dont you have to have both players on the same base at the same time then by tagging R2 (Martinez) first you get an out? If I am wrong please correct me but thats how I read the rule. If both are on the base at the same time, how can R3 (Patterson) be tagged first and called out then R2 (Martinez) be tagged secondly and called out? That just doesnt make sense to me.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BK47

To keep the rule intact, dont you have to have both players on the same base at the same time then by tagging R2 (Martinez) first you get an out? If I am wrong please correct me

It doesn't matter in what order they are tagged, or whether the lead runner is tagged at all. If both are on the base, the trail runner is out when tagged (assuming there's no force involved).

What the umpires saw, and what they ruled, might be different from that and from what the replays show or don't show.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BK47

Jurassic, what does a rule have to do with this particular play?

If someone sees something that I dont please tell me but I clearly see Patterson getting tagged BEFORE he retouchs third base.

I already said that I didn't know the damn rule when I said that it was righteous call. And I also already said that Pattersen was tagged before he touched the bag and Martinez was on the bag when he was tagged.

Whatinthehell more do you want? Sackcloth and freaking ashes?

Lah me......

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Whatinthehell more do you want? Sackcloth and freaking ashes?

I want flagellation. Oh, and video of it, please.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I want flagellation.

Ok, but if I go blind, it's on you!

[Publius]

Patterson was tagged off the bag. At that point, Martinez is entitled to the bag, and is occupying it. It doesn't matter if he is tagged or not at that point; he is standing on a base to which he is legally entitled.

BK47, you're not missing anything. Only Wolf is--the call.

[Dave Reed]

Here's what I see in the video:

R3 breaks for home and gets in a run-down. R2 advances to 3rd and remains touching it throughout the play. R3 is chased back to third, and reaches it before being tagged. With both runners touching 3rd, R3 is tagged and then R2 is tagged, perhaps accidentally, but tagged all the same. R2 is called out. But R3 has already gotten up and has started for the dugout, and he is subsequently tagged out.

So what is the problem?

[Publius]

R3 (Patterson) did not reach the base before being tagged. See :55-:57 for a clear view.

There was no basis to rule Martinez out.

[BK47]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I already said that I didn't know the damn rule when I said that it was righteous call. And I also already said that Pattersen was tagged before he touched the bag and Martinez was on the bag when he was tagged.

Whatinthehell more do you want? Sackcloth and freaking ashes?

Lah me......

na, but I could go for a good Ale or maybe a Gin and Tonic..........

sorry dude, didnt mean to piss you off.........