No thread about Bob Davidson ejecting a fan?

[jwwashburn]

A "homophobic slur"?

I am really afraid of those ******s? Or, did he call Davidson a ******?

If this is reported widly, I can guarandamntee you that Bob has heard only the beginning of this.

Doesn't a Major League umpire have anything better to do than listen to fan comments, get offended and then actually try to figure out who said it?

Davidson is a cartoon.

[rbmartin]

9.01 (a) The league president shall appoint one or more umpires to officiate at each league championship game. The umpires shall be responsible for the conduct of the game in accordance with these official rules and for maintaining discipline and order on the playing field during the game.
(b) Each umpire is the representative of the league and of professional baseball, and is authorized and required to enforce all of these rules. Each umpire has authority to order a player, coach, manager or club officer or employee to do or refrain from doing anything which affects the administering of these rules, and to enforce the prescribed penalties.
(c) Each umpire has authority to rule on any point not specifically covered in these rules.
(d) Each umpire has authority to disqualify any player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible in that play.
(e) Each umpire has authority at his discretion to eject from the playing field
(1) any person whose duties permit his presence on the field, such as ground crew members, ushers, photographers, newsmen, broadcasting crew members, etc., and
(2) any spectator or other person not authorized to be on the playing field.

I'm sorry. I dont see anything here directing the umpire to police the language of the fans unless it is impeding the game in some manner. And please dont use the "(c) Each umpire has authority to rule on any point not specifically covered in these rules." argument. What's next , the umpire dictating the price the vendor asks for peanuts?
Unless the language is in some way making it impossible to play or officiate the game, let the police and stadium authorities excercise crowd control, Umpires take care of what happens on the field.

[jwwashburn]

What if the Security guard/Usher would have said to Bob: No. and walked away?

That would have been the most awesome scene ever...would he have dumped the security guard?

What if a cop refused to obey Blustering Bob? Have that cop arrested!

Bob is a cartoon.

[jicecone]

Sometimes you have to do, what you have to do. At least Davidson has enough brass to take control of a situation. Something the stadium security didnt want to do.

Too bad about what the rules said or didn't say, he gets my vote for "Umpire of the week."There are way too many IDIOTS out there that think that just because they have first amendment rights, they can abuse anyone anytime and justify it with, "thats my constiutional right".

From a baseball fan who likes to sit and enjoy a game, I say,

GOOD JOB, DAVIDSON

[jwwashburn]

So, you immediately side with Davidson-a guy who has been a buffoon for many years-over the Security Guards whose actual JOB it is to police the fans? They actually get paid to police the fans. They have training to police the fans. Bumbling Bob had no business, training or authority to stick his arrogant nose into the situation-if there even was a situation.

Could a Security Guard have overruled Jim Joyce on that play in the near perfect game? No, of course not.

When I heard "Umpire ejected a fan" I knew it was him before I saw the video. How many other folks here knew it was Davidson before we saw it for sure?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

So, you immediately side with Davidson-a guy who has been a buffoon for many years-over the Security Guards whose actual JOB it is to police the fans? They actually get paid to police the fans. They have training to police the fans. Bumbling Bob had no business, training or authority to stick his arrogant nose into the situation-if there even was a situation.

Could a Security Guard have overruled Jim Joyce on that play in the near perfect game? No, of course not.

When I heard "Umpire ejected a fan" I knew it was him before I saw the video. How many other folks here knew it was Davidson before we saw it for sure?

You must be kidding. Miller Park Security are paid to look the other way when stuff like this happens. During Cubs/Brewers series I wouldn't bring my daughter to the ballpark the fans are so vulgar, drunk, and obnoxious.

I'm another one on board with what Davidson did. If comments like that ever came out of bleachers at a game I was working, I would stop the game and have game management remove the clown. Why should paying stupid money for a ticket give anyone the right to shout out bigoted remarks in the earshot of anyone?

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You must be kidding. Miller Park Security are paid to look the other way when stuff like this happens. During Cubs/Brewers series I wouldn't bring my daughter to the ballpark the fans are so vulgar, drunk, and obnoxious.

I'm another one on board with what Davidson did. If comments like that ever came out of bleachers at a game I was working, I would stop the game and have game management remove the clown. Why should paying stupid money for a ticket give anyone the right to shout out bigoted remarks in the earshot of anyone?

I don't know why they even pay to have ushers at Miller Park...I had an issue with a drunk a couple of months ago and we bypassed the usher and went right to the police. The police like tossing fans.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I don't know why they even pay to have ushers at Miller Park...I had an issue with a drunk a couple of months ago and we bypassed the usher and went right to the police. The police like tossing fans.

And it is THEIR job to do so...unlike Davidson.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I don't know why they even pay to have ushers at Miller Park...I had an issue with a drunk a couple of months ago and we bypassed the usher and went right to the police. The police like tossing fans.

Everything you write shows off your rather pedestrian intellect, yet you have the brass to imply that others are stupid.

[jwwashburn]

Never mind that he had no authority to do it.

So, what if the security guard refused? The security guard does not work for Bob Davidson. Is he going to eject him, also? If I was the guard, I would have laughed in his face.

So what if the security guard gets over there and the guy denies saying anything? What if the fans around him say they did not hear anything? Just how long away from his actual job should a Major League umpire take?

And we all knew which umpire it was before we saw the video.

I have seen Davidson scream profanities at players and coaches within earshot of the crowd. The levels that some umpires will go to back the actions of another umpire-no matter how absurd-are staggering.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

So, what if the security guard refused?

The same thing most of us would do if this happened at XYZ High School or Podunk Ball Park for the local American Legion game. Refuse to continue the game until the unruly fan was gone.

Do you really think an usher is going to refuse that request from an MLB umpire and still have his job?

Several times in the past fans have been removed by umpires in MLB games, usually when the fans are trying to incite players as was the case here. It is done to keep control of the game.

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Never mind that he had no authority to do it.

So, what if the security guard refused? The security guard does not work for Bob Davidson. Is he going to eject him, also? If I was the guard, I would have laughed in his face.

So what if the security guard gets over there and the guy denies saying anything? What if the fans around him say they did not hear anything? Just how long away from his actual job should a Major League umpire take?

And we all knew which umpire it was before we saw the video.

I have seen Davidson scream profanities at players and coaches within earshot of the crowd. The levels that some umpires will go to back the actions of another umpire-no matter how absurd-are staggering.

The umpire has total authority to manage the game. If the fan was causing a problem, then the Security folks should have handled it. Since they didn't, Davidson is totally within his right to have that fan removed.

Aren't we all getting a little tired of the jerks that learn the rules from idiots such as Tim McCarver, and think they can call balls and strikes from 200 ft away?

I do find that my tolerance for chirping decreases as the season nears the end and understand why Davidson would have this drunken, loud mouthed jerk ejected so that he could no longer interfere with the game.

[HokieUmp]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Never mind that he had no authority to do it.

So, what if the security guard refused? The security guard does not work for Bob Davidson. Is he going to eject him, also? If I was the guard, I would have laughed in his face.

And you'd likely get fired. Ballclubs, like any customer-driven business, don't like controversy (other than the 'staged' kind designed to get people's attention; this is not one of those).

So what if the security guard gets over there and the guy denies saying anything? What if the fans around him say they did not hear anything?

For the first question: then he's a rat, like any player or coach. For the second: not likely to happen, especially since we're now getting the details of what the fan said.

And we all knew which umpire it was before we saw the video.

Not so much, no. Some of us that umpire don't take the time to memorize the MLB umpire roster, and learn their habits. Nor, apparently, do all of us take the time to develop an axe to grind against specific MLB umpires.

I have seen Davidson scream profanities at players and coaches within earshot of the crowd. The levels that some umpires will go to back the actions of another umpire-no matter how absurd-are staggering.

I guess in this case, I'm backing the 'other umpire,' because I'm thinking, if these details are correct, this fan went beyond garden variety profanity. I know some feel that ANY profanity is A Bad Thing, and I respect that, even though I disagree. I feel there are shades of gray, if you will, but this fan crossed a line. So although I'm normally very happy to let those outside 'the fence' take care of that area, I don't really have a problem with Mr Davidson's actions.

I'm curious, though: you have your reasons/examples for thinking Bob Davidson's a joke, and your own that. But why, when I read your postings, do I get the feeling that you're giving WAY more respect to stadium security 'guards' than umpires? (Or, at least, the MLB guys you don't like?)

Real po-lice, I have no problem with. Stadium rental guys? Really? You think they're going to do their job? In general - and across all sports - those guys are the joke. Drunken idiot fans are left alone until they're so out of control, something has to be done. Why? Drunk fans buy $8 beers*, and lots of them.

*I don't drink that much, and don't feel like overpaying when I do, so I don't drink at a stadium. Substitute the actual ballpark price if I've underbid there.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

So, you immediately side with Davidson-a guy who has been a buffoon for many years-over the Security Guards whose actual JOB it is to police the fans? They actually get paid to police the fans. They have training to police the fans.

If that were the case, Tom Gamboa would have never been attacked.

The drunk was all over Molina, Davidson used a little preventative action to correct the problem.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by asdf

If that were the case, Tom Gamboa would have never been attacked.

The drunk was all over Molina, Davidson used a little preventative action to correct the problem.

You highlighted the most naive and ridiculous of all of this guy's statements on this matter! Wow! The ever-present ballpark security guards--the best and the brightest! Yeah, they'll handle everything.