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Old Sun Aug 29, 2010, 11:12am
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Some of you guys take this stuff waaaaay too seriously.


I set this crew up expressly because I knew some of these guys freak out for not being uniform. The guy at the far right is laughing really hard at the guys on the left, knowing they're uncomfortable. By the third inning, everyone was in black jackets, but my point was made. Lighten up, Francis. It's a game, usually played by kids, where 99.99% of the folks don't give a rat's @ss how we dress.

I promise you, only other umpires notice the plate guys is wearing a different colored shirt. In the above game, everyone came away with a good experience, and a lesson learned. Plus the food that night was exceptional.
In my opinion...this looks like poppycock! It looks bush league. It looks amateurish. It looks dumb.
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Old Sun Aug 29, 2010, 01:04pm
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Agreed, and it worked perfectly to prove my point.

It's just little kids, playing baseball. We need to step back sometimes, when we start taking things a bit too seriously. That's what we did here. Took a step toward the absurd, funny, dumb if you will. Some guys will dance with rodents, or do the YMCA ( I know the words to that song, and the meaning behind them, so I ain't dancing to that diddy). I chose to have everyone wear different colored shirts for two innings. In the end, we all thought it was pretty damn cool, and so did the kids and parents.

Now if we did it every night, or on some sort of "big" stage, I'd agree with the dumb statement. But it was my house, my rules, and it worked to perfection.
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Old Sun Aug 29, 2010, 02:29pm
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But it was my house, my rules, and it worked to perfection.
I don't get this. How did it work to perfection? Do you mean it didn't intefere with the performance of the umpires, or do you mean it looked right?

It certainly doesn't work to perfection from a professionalism, appropriate or appearance standpoint.

And, unlike the crowds you apparently have, the fans here would assume that we just picked up umpires off the street who neither knew each other nor belonged to the local association. They would be starting out with zero credibility.
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Old Sun Aug 29, 2010, 05:00pm
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I don't get this. How did it work to perfection? Do you mean it didn't intefere with the performance of the umpires, or do you mean it looked right?

It certainly doesn't work to perfection from a professionalism, appropriate or appearance standpoint.

And, unlike the crowds you apparently have, the fans here would assume that we just picked up umpires off the street who neither knew each other nor belonged to the local association. They would be starting out with zero credibility.
I have personally been exposed to a tournament that the officials did this for certain games to fit a theme of the tournament. No one cared about that. And I hope you are not equating professionalism of a summer baseball game to a real game at the high school or even college level. Half the time these leagues are just happy they have anyone there to work the games, let alone what color the uniform they have on. This is why the brass of Little League does not even care what guys look like working those games (mechanically, fitness, positioning). A lot of the times you can be dressed very well and all look the part and coaches and fans do not know the difference. So please stop with the "you will have zero credibility" crap. That is just not true at many of these functions and almost never will be the same.

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Old Sun Aug 29, 2010, 06:28pm
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I'd be more concerned about the players. I wonder if they have permission from MLB to use those names. Wasn't there an article about a league in the Chicago area and they were getting sued because they were using pro team names and logos for their league.
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Old Sun Aug 29, 2010, 07:25pm
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I have personally been exposed to a tournament that the officials did this for certain games to fit a theme of the tournament. No one cared about that. And I hope you are not equating professionalism of a summer baseball game to a real game at the high school or even college level. Half the time these leagues are just happy they have anyone there to work the games, let alone what color the uniform they have on. This is why the brass of Little League does not even care what guys look like working those games (mechanically, fitness, positioning). A lot of the times you can be dressed very well and all look the part and coaches and fans do not know the difference. So please stop with the "you will have zero credibility" crap. That is just not true at many of these functions and almost never will be the same.

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While I believe that everyone should match while on the field together, I agree with the bolded part here. Even though I always wear poly wools, the best shirts, crease my caps, wear pro gear, clean my shoes, etc., the fact of the matter is that a significant portion of the high school umpires around here don't do this. I see a lot of guys in faded shirts, some off brand of heather pants, etc. and no coaches or parents would even notice. I know this because I have watched high school baseball for a long time and even coached for a short while and I never noticed what the umpires were wearing. I also know this because I've talked to coaches who say so and so is a great umpire, all the while knowing that he dresses like a slob and doesn't use correct mechanics, positioning, game management techniques, etc.

College games are obviously a different story.
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Old Sun Aug 29, 2010, 08:17pm
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The kids get their uniforms from an official Majestic dealer. Trust me, my son works there. They're good to go.

As for attaining the effect I was looking for by dressing in different colors, the point was to lighten up the stiff collars of some of my fellow umpires. This is Little League, and regular season game at that. Sure we had a pretty big crowd, and an MiLB mascot on hand, but they didn't come to see us.

That picture was taken by one of a bunch of folks who wanted to get a shot this. Umpiring, at my field, has been made a "cool" thing to do because of the culture we've developed at our park. I've got 30+ kids who work for me as Junior umpires every year, and I usually have a waiting list. A WAITING LIST FOR UMPIRES! I put three man crews on every game, and turn away volunteers most every night. I also have WR guys come out to specifically work with my kids. Like those guys in the picture.

As for credibility, I guess that's subjective. But some of the kids that come out of my program get asked to do some pretty high level (for LL) games. I know that our program as the respect of the folks up at WR. They know we turn out pretty good umpires. The managers and coaches for this particular game knew all these umpires, and their credentials. Half are WR instructors, all have been to the one week, a couple have TV games, etc. Trust me, that's a good crew, and there are rarely any complaints about my umpires.

I get that doing this wouldn't work in most places. It does in mine though.

How many 15 year olds have you taught to umpire well enough to work Section championship plates? I've had several, and those are my credentials.
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Old Sun Aug 29, 2010, 09:54pm
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Mostly, in cool/cold weather I wear long sleeves on the plate (with or without long sleeve cold gear depending on temp) and partner wears jacket. Sometimes I wear short sleeve on the plate and partner wears jacket. I have never worked a game with different colors, but don't see a problem if PU is colored different on a 3, 4 or 6 man crew. I would not do it on 2 man crew.
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Old Sun Aug 29, 2010, 11:05pm
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I'd be more concerned about the players. I wonder if they have permission from MLB to use those names. Wasn't there an article about a league in the Chicago area and they were getting sued because they were using pro team names and logos for their league.
I can understand using the logos, but I doubt MLB has a copyright of any team names. After call, the bird were called "cardinals" long before it became a team name.
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Old Mon Aug 30, 2010, 07:16am
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The kids get their uniforms from an official Majestic dealer. Trust me, my son works there. They're good to go.

As for attaining the effect I was looking for by dressing in different colors, the point was to lighten up the stiff collars of some of my fellow umpires. This is Little League, and regular season game at that. Sure we had a pretty big crowd, and an MiLB mascot on hand, but they didn't come to see us.

That picture was taken by one of a bunch of folks who wanted to get a shot this. Umpiring, at my field, has been made a "cool" thing to do because of the culture we've developed at our park. I've got 30+ kids who work for me as Junior umpires every year, and I usually have a waiting list. A WAITING LIST FOR UMPIRES! I put three man crews on every game, and turn away volunteers most every night. I also have WR guys come out to specifically work with my kids. Like those guys in the picture.

As for credibility, I guess that's subjective. But some of the kids that come out of my program get asked to do some pretty high level (for LL) games. I know that our program as the respect of the folks up at WR. They know we turn out pretty good umpires. The managers and coaches for this particular game knew all these umpires, and their credentials. Half are WR instructors, all have been to the one week, a couple have TV games, etc. Trust me, that's a good crew, and there are rarely any complaints about my umpires.

I get that doing this wouldn't work in most places. It does in mine though.

How many 15 year olds have you taught to umpire well enough to work Section championship plates? I've had several, and those are my credentials.
Great job with your Jr. umpire program. I tip my hat to you (and any others who do the same) as I feel that running a program such as yours is a great way for experienced umps to give something back to the game...developing young umpires.
I started and ran a similar program in my local LL back in the years that when I was actively involved in LLBB. in a 35+ year career, it is still one of my best umpiring experiences.
While I can't say one of our young umps ever made it to a sectional (or even district) plate job, we did have a few 16 yo's who filled in on an emergency basis as BU's in the districts. And like your guys, they handled themselves quite well.
We had a good size league, five 11-12 yo (majors) games three days a week. plus all of our lower divisions the other three days (25 games on Sat. starting at 8:00AM last games began at 7:00PM). Needless to say, training and developing competent plate umpires was critical to the success of the program.
And yes....they all had uniform shirts. The crew matching though was nver an issue....they all worked solo.
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Old Tue Aug 31, 2010, 09:20pm
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I'd be more concerned about the players. I wonder if they have permission from MLB to use those names. Wasn't there an article about a league in the Chicago area and they were getting sued because they were using pro team names and logos for their league.
The trouble was the supplier of the uniforms. Someone was printing those shirts at a local shop, and not going through the correct channels to attain them (Majestic holds those rights). The league was saving a few bucks by buying counterfeit shirts, and got caught for it.

My league doesn't do that.
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