F8 carries ball over fence

[greymule]

J/R gives 6 EXAMPLES of overthrows -- those are not DEFINITIONS.

I agree that they are not official definitions. (In fact, overthrow is not defined in the OBR book, so I guess there isn't an official definition.) However, the J/R presents the 6 categories as if all overthrows fall into one of them. If there are other kinds, the J/R should be clear that the 6 are merely examples and do not encompass all overthrows.

I can't quarrel with your reasoning to award two bases by interpreting the OP as "a kind of overthrow." But lacking something in black and white, one could also reasonably judge the OP to be a "kind of catch and carry."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by greymule

J/R gives 6 EXAMPLES of overthrows -- those are not DEFINITIONS.

I agree that they are not official definitions. (In fact, overthrow is not defined in the OBR book, so I guess there isn't an official definition.) However, the J/R presents the 6 categories as if all overthrows fall into one of them. If there are other kinds, the J/R should be clear that the 6 are merely examples and do not encompass all overthrows.

I can't quarrel with your reasoning to award two bases by interpreting the OP as "a kind of overthrow." But lacking something in black and white, one could also reasonably judge the OP to be a "kind of catch and carry."

They are not 6 categories of overthrow, or they would be labeled as such.

It can't possibly be a "kind of catch and carry" because it's not a catch. That's crucial, since the basis for the exception to the overthrow award is the fact that the runners must retouch after a catch.

[greymule]

They are not 6 categories of overthrow, or they would be labeled as such.

Well, they're 6 types of overthrow, but they're not labeled as examples, either. They certainly could be examples, but it's not fully clear. If I were editing the J/R, it would say, "Some examples of overthrows follow."

Note that with altered bats, the J/R introduces its list with "Examples of altered bats include bats that are:" . . .

But for foul balls, it reads:

"It is a foul ball if a batted ball:" . . .

and then lists 7 categories that cover every kind of foul ball. (The J/R even includes "is touched by the batter in his batter's box, which is not in the official book definition). It doesn't specifically say that all foul balls fall into one of the 7 categories, but they do. These are not just examples of foul balls.

I don't expect rule books to be written like law books, and I can accept that the play in the OP is considered an "overthrow." I'm just saying that the books don't cover it unequivocally.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by greymule

I don't expect rule books to be written like law books, and I can accept that the play in the OP is considered an "overthrow." I'm just saying that the books don't cover it unequivocally.

Agreed. Good examples.