Little League - grounds for forfeit

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

, it is critical that a young player learn base running and pitching with runners on base way before he is 13. .

WHY?

It's maybe two days of practice to teach that stuff.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

WHY?

It's maybe two days of practice to teach that stuff.

That speaks to the quality of LL coaching.

Back in the days when a computer took up its own room, our Babe Ruth coach spent much more time coaching these critical parts of the game. Perhaps surprisingly to you, high school and college coaches continued our education in these areas. Maybe someone should have told them that it takes maybe two days. It would have saved us a lot of work.

[kylejt]

I'd say it was half a season of LL Juniors to get them up to speed on the open bases. But most good LL players are also playing travel ball in the offseason, so there's usually no problems at all.

[jicecone]

Kevin, your begining to sound like a New Yorker. They believe that the world is not flat or round. It just doesn't exist outside the city limits of New York.

So let me highlite the key words for you!

So.California represents approximately 1.4% of the United States in area and 3.5 % in population.

In the last statistics course I took, these numbers hardly justify being represenative for the norm.

But as a resident of So. Cal. if you wish to believe otherwise, Happy Birthday to you.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by jicecone

So.California represents approximately 1.4% of the United States in area and 3.5 % in population.

They also supply a disproportionate amount of better baseball players, as does Florida and the Dominican Republic.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by kylejt

They also supply a disproportionate amount of better baseball players, as does Florida and the Dominican Republic.

Approx. 12-13%, I agree. which is probably more proportional to the population than than the fact of whether a kid played LL or not.

Listen we can both argue statistics until were blue in the face, I am just saying that what is typical in So. Cal. doesn't necessarly hold true for the rest of the country.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by kylejt

They also supply a disproportionate amount of better baseball players, as does Florida and the Dominican Republic.

US Little League Champions
CA 14 (76-79, 91-94)
FL 6
GA, HI 3
AZ, IN, TX 2
AL, CT, KY, RI, NJ, PA, WA 1

Expected correlation matches your statement. Winning has nothing to do with weather, population, or D1 schools. The LL ball is topnotch here and teams do well in playoffs. It is good experience for an umpire. Last year McCallister Park next door went to the show.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

That speaks to the quality of LL coaching.

Back in the days when a computer took up its own room, our Babe Ruth coach spent much more time coaching these critical parts of the game. Perhaps surprisingly to you, high school and college coaches continued our education in these areas. Maybe someone should have told them that it takes maybe two days. It would have saved us a lot of work.

What baserunning skills are different? All the other stuff is the same in both worlds.

1) How to lead off and not get picked off doing it.

2) ????

3) ????

4) ????

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

What baserunning skills are different? All the other stuff is the same in both worlds.

1) How to lead off and not get picked off doing it.

2) ????

3) ????

4) ????

Oh, you misunderstand me. I recognize your authority as an expert on teaching pitching techniques with runners on base and base running in two days. I'm forwarding your name to several college and MiLB teams so they can just spend two days on that in training camp.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Oh, you misunderstand me. I recognize your authority as an expert on teaching pitching techniques with runners on base and base running in two days. I'm forwarding your name to several college and MiLB teams so they can just spend two days on that in training camp.

Then again, perhaps some facts may support a personal opinion. The statement has been made that the LL program no longer produces the majority of the high school players in S. Calif, and in other parts of the country. True! It has been admitted that LL represents less than half of the youth baseball programs in the country.

But how does less than half fall to almost no one from a LL program makes it to high school ball in S Calif, unless they happen to be the star pitcher on a LLWS championship team? Highly interesting, but very doubtful.

[Berkut]

I am still confused as to what it is about these other programs that make such better ballplayers?

Do they have professional coaches or something? What?

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Berkut

I am still confused as to what it is about these other programs that make such better ballplayers?

Do they have professional coaches or something? What?

Four advantages 1) the business of making money {ala the league sponsor}, 2) parents who spend lots of money on their "kids" happiness, 3) a competitive "lure" that gaining an edge or shortcut will lead to a WIN over someone else that is well worth it, and 4) the knowledge that no one will investigate or care about the scandalous price or means of victory.

Why hell, just take a look at these four advantages I listed above and compare them to the current University of Southern California football program. Apply the same concepts to any team sport.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Berkut

I am still confused as to what it is about these other programs that make such better ballplayers?

Do they have professional coaches or something? What?

My apologies for going off-topic during my previous two rants about the quality of LL baseball above. One last comment about the original thread.

Your telling me your son entered a baseball game as the starting pitcher, then re-entered the same baseball game as one of the middle-relief pitchers, and finally re-re-entered the same baseball game as the closing pitcher and you do not find anything wrong with it?

Wait you know there is something wrong with it, but you feel that the mistake your coach made should have been explained or corrected by the umpires on the field because it may potentially cost your team a victory, and that a protest by the other team to the tournament committee was unnecessary?

Wait, you realize the umpires and your coaches are all dumb and that the opposing team's protest was necessary, but you actually believe these same events went unnoticed in another ballgame in the same tournament, so that the ruling committee should support your decision to throw out the protest?

Shhssssh!

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Oh, you misunderstand me. I recognize your authority as an expert on teaching pitching techniques with runners on base and base running in two days. I'm forwarding your name to several college and MiLB teams so they can just spend two days on that in training camp.

And you somehow think it's a totally different ball game.

So - just what is it about baserunning that's different - except the actual lead-off? Don't be shy - teach me somethng so I'll shut up.

Does how to throw a pitch change with a baserunner? When may change, but not how. But as coaches call the pitches anyhow there's nothing to teach the pitcher/catcher yet.

Did you know most of the throw-overs are called friom the bench - even in MLB?

Is "set" somehow totally different than wind-up? Do you go to a different balance point? Do you throw with the other hand? Keep up with the lessons - I'd appreciate it if someone as wise as you could improve mu knowledge base.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

And you somehow think it's a totally different ball game.

I'm not arguing with you. You are undoubtedly more experienced and smarter than my high school and college coaches were. They both had us working on these issues repeatedly over the course of pre-season training. They took many days to do what you can in two.

teach me somethng so I'll shut up.

If you've proven anything during your time here, (aside from being the smartest coach in baseball) it's that this is not very likely.