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[MD Longhorn]

if we're still talking about MLB here, I don't think that happens that often. Being ON the lines is nothing anyway. If they are so far back they are actually out of the original box, a good MLB curve across the front of the plate is nearly unhittable.

In our games ... if I see someone not in the box before the pitch, I tell them to get in it. If that's what you mean by "enforce", then yeah.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

If they are so far back they are actually out of the original box, a good MLB curve across the front of the plate is nearly unhittable.

It also can't be called a strike, since F2 will be too far back to get it before it bounces.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

There is no crying, , in baseball either, .

MTD, Sr.

[BK47]

hum, thats actually kind of funny about the batters box. I had a HS game a few years ago where the batter had one foot completely outside the box, smacked a good base hit but once he reached first and all playing stopped I called him out. The OC was pissed but I explained why I called him out. After that I had talked to some other experienced Ump's and they told me how to use common sense and do whats called as "Preventative Umpiring". Since then if I saw something like that I would casually have the batter get both feet in.

Besides that however as I was also told, we have more important things to worry about than if his feet are in the box. Dont worry about it so much unless, like most of you have already mentioned, the catcher says something.

With that, last night I was working a game with a guy in a 13yrold Tourney. You guessed it, "Daddy Ball" with HS rules. Let the fun begin. One team after every ball pitched the batter would get completely out of the box, didnt matter if the ball was fouled or just a pitch, the batter would get completely out of the box to take signs from the 3rd base coach. The umpire, my partner, after a couple of innings of this decided to tell the HC of the offending team to have his players keep at least one foot in the box because they were slowing down the game. To make a long story short the coach got pissy with him and PU threw him out. The coaches on that team were like "We know HS rules and thats the first time we ever heard of that one....blah blah blah...." Well again, welcome to "Daddy Ball", if they knew the rules then they would know that in HS, at least in Illinois HS, the rule says you have to keep at least one foot in the batters box at all times unless time is called, a foul ball and so on.

I told my partner after the game how I would have handeled it. Just to tell the first couple of batters in the first inning to please keep a foot in the box at all times. After the first inning, just a casual meeting with the HC to let his batters know to keep a foot in the box and let it go at that. But he let it drag out to the 3rd or 4th inning thats why the pissing match.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BK47

hum, thats actually kind of funny about the batters box. I had a HS game a few years ago where the batter had one foot completely outside the box, smacked a good base hit but once he reached first and all playing stopped I called him out. The OC was pissed but I explained why I called him out. After that I had talked to some other experienced Ump's and they told me how to use common sense and do whats called as "Preventative Umpiring". Since then if I saw something like that I would casually have the batter get both feet in.

You made 2 mistakes here:

1. If you saw the batter set up with a foot entirely outside the box, you must call time and fix it. That's completely on you.

2. You called the batter out. For what? Are you CERTAIN that his foot was touching the ground COMPLETELY outside the box (not touching any of the line) at the MOMENT he struck the ball? Maybe he lifted his foot a little when he hit the ball?

If you were watching his feet then you weren't watching the pitch. If you're doing your job (as either PU or BU) you cannot see this infraction, except maybe where the batter gets a running start at a bunt.

Having a foot out of the box during the pitch is not illegal. Having a foot out of the box after hitting the ball is not illegal. No umpire (in 2 umpire mechanics) can see the infraction here. Hence the importance of getting the batter set up correctly in the box.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BK47

I told my partner after the game how I would have handeled it. Just to tell the first couple of batters in the first inning to please keep a foot in the box at all times. After the first inning, just a casual meeting with the HC to let his batters know to keep a foot in the box and let it go at that. But he let it drag out to the 3rd or 4th inning thats why the pissing match.

Why tell them that? That's not the rule. A batter is permitted to leave the box after swinging at a pitch (strike or foul ball), when a pitch drives him out of the box, during a dead ball, when F1 or F2 feints or attempts a play, when F2 misses a pitch, and several other things.

Perhaps if you learned the rule (OBR 6.02d, NFHS 7-3-1) you could enforce (and teach) it correctly.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BK47

hum, thats actually kind of funny about the batters box. I had a HS game a few years ago where the batter had one foot completely outside the box, smacked a good base hit but once he reached first and all playing stopped I called him out.

That's an immediate dead ball - why did you wait?

[RogersUmp]

When I have younger youth ball games I mention it to the coaches in the pregrame to have the batters keep a foot in the box to take signals to keep our game moving along. At about 14 or 15yrs old I don't need to say anything about staying in the box.