Ozzie's at it again.....

[grunewar]

Rips Joe West.

Guillen rips ump after White Sox top Indians 5-4 - USATODAY.com

I smell a fine!

[bas2456]

More like a suspension. Second one definitely looked like a balk to me.

[kylejt]

"But in the meanwhile, those years are on his shoulders and kind of heavy and showing people who he is."

Classic. Oz calls Cowboy Joe fat.

[umpjim]

Has Joe called any of KRods games and called a no stop balk? I thought that that lefties can get away with murder so I watch them close but I can't see the balk in the first one but maybe in the second one in the video I pull up. What did Joe see? The 2B ump echoed it quicker than I would expect so what did he see? The only thing I can think of that would get Joe and the 2B ump to be right behind him is a hanging leg. Anybody seen better videos? Why don't they call the nostop and twitching feet while coming set and yet call this. I think it's because at that level the stop and twitches are meaningless to a runner but whatever Buehrle did can fool an MLB runner. The first runner was certainley fooled and you woudn't expect that at this level.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Has Joe called any of KRods games and called a no stop balk? I thought that that lefties can get away with murder so I watch them close but I can't see the balk in the first one but maybe in the second one in the video I pull up. What did Joe see? The 2B ump echoed it quicker than I would expect so what did he see? The only thing I can think of that would get Joe and the 2B ump to be right behind him is a hanging leg. Anybody seen better videos? Why don't they call the nostop and twitching feet while coming set and yet call this. I think it's because at that level the stop and twitches are meaningless to a runner but whatever Buehrle did can fool an MLB runner. The first runner was certainley fooled and you woudn't expect that at this level.

Buehrle has picked quite a few guys off over the years. The first one I thought was much less egrigious (sp?) than the second. I'm not a baseball umpire, but I'm a lefty and I've pitched before. I know of the "45 degree angle" rule (if that even is one), but to me it looked like Buehrle started leaning towards home like he was going to pitch, then threw to first.

Can someone post the relevant rules?

[tjones1]

I would say both Ozzie and Buehrle will be hearing from MLB regarding their comments.

[TwoBits]

Ozzie, Buehrle ejected for arguing balks | MLB.com: News

I had trouble seeing the reason for the balks. This video focuses more on the ejections than the balks themselves. He looked as to me he was pushing the 45 degree line, but can't tell if he crossed it.

The announcers were entertaining though!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Buehrle has picked quite a few guys off over the years. The first one I thought was much less egrigious (sp?) than the second. I'm not a baseball umpire, but I'm a lefty and I've pitched before. I know of the "45 degree angle" rule (if that even is one), but to me it looked like Buehrle started leaning towards home like he was going to pitch, then threw to first.

Can someone post the relevant rules?

There is no "45 degree" rule. 8.05 requires the pitcher to step and throw to a base, and that's interpreted as stepping more toward the base than the plate. In practice, that amounts to about 45°.

You can find rule 8 (and the other 9 as well) on the mlb site:
Official Rules | MLB.com: Official info

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Ozzie, Buehrle ejected for arguing balks | MLB.com: News

I had trouble seeing the reason for the balks. This video focuses more on the ejections than the balks themselves. He looked as to me he was pushing the 45 degree line, but can't tell if he crossed it.

The announcers were entertaining though!

The second one was clearer than the first. It's not about the step: F1 clearly moves to home as he steps and throws to 1B. His whole upper body is moving toward the plate.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The second one was clearer than the first. It's not about the step: F1 clearly moves to home as he steps and throws to 1B. His whole upper body is moving toward the plate.

Exactly

-Josh

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

There is no "45 degree" rule. 8.05 requires the pitcher to step and throw to a base, and that's interpreted as stepping more toward the base than the plate. In practice, that amounts to about 45°.

Well... it amounts to EXACTLY 45 degrees... which is why some (many) call it the 45 degree rule. So ... there kind of is.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The second one was clearer than the first. It's not about the step: F1 clearly moves to home as he steps and throws to 1B. His whole upper body is moving toward the plate.

That's what I saw on the second one, too.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Well... it amounts to EXACTLY 45 degrees... which is why some (many) call it the 45 degree rule. So ... there kind of is.

My point: it's not a rule. It's an interp. That matters when somebody asks where it is in the rules.

The idea of exactly 45° is ridiculous, since nobody uses a protractor to measure.

[greymule]

But the line from home to the pitcher's plate and the line from the pitcher's plate to 1B are at an angle of greater than 90 degrees.

For the angle to be 90 degrees, the pitcher's plate would have to be halfway between home and 2B, directly on the 1B-3B line. But the "rubber" is a yard in front of that line.

Trig, anyone?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by mbyron

My point: it's not a rule. It's an interp. That matters when somebody asks where it is in the rules.

The idea of exactly 45° is ridiculous, since nobody uses a protractor to measure.

mbyron:

I know how to use a protractor and have used one countless times.

MTD, Sr.
Bachelor of Engineering in Civil Engineering, William Rayen School of Engineering, Youngstown (Ohio) State University,