Pitching from the stretch

[ozzy6900]

I agree with the balk call here. Once F1 brings his hands together and stops, he is set. If he stares in for the sign, then moves his hands closer to his body, we have a double set.

However, if F1 brings his hands together as in the OP and then leans in for the sign, you must call the balk right then and there. F1 has come set, then made movement that was not delivering the pitch or attempting to make a play. In this case, do not allow F1 to go any farther without balking him.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I agree with the balk call here. Once F1 brings his hands together and stops, he is set. If he stares in for the sign, then moves his hands closer to his body, we have a double set.

However, if F1 brings his hands together as in the OP and then leans in for the sign, you must call the balk right then and there. F1 has come set, then made movement that was not delivering the pitch or attempting to make a play. In this case, do not allow F1 to go any farther without balking him.

Ozzy, there is no separate balk rule about a "double set." Both of your examples are enforced under the same rule..8.05(a) and in the pro circles are known as "started and stopped".

[jicecone]

I have many times seen a pitcher put his hands together in front of him with the pivot foot on the plate and the non-pivot foot stretched out about shoulder width. He takes his signs and then sets by bringing his hands to his body and feet together. I am suspecting this is what is happening. If the poster would clarify, maybe we could end this discussion in 3 threads.

Not having been there I am assuming this is what happened.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by jicecone

I have many times seen a pitcher put his hands together in front of him with the pivot foot on the plate and the non-pivot foot stretched out about shoulder width. He takes his signs and then sets by bringing his hands to his body and feet together. I am suspecting this is what is happening. If the poster would clarify, maybe we could end this discussion in 3 threads.

Not having been there I am assuming this is what happened.

/That's what the pitcher was doing. I thought I had clarified.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jay R

/That's what the pitcher was doing. I thought I had clarified.

It's a balk.

[jicecone]

Don't agree Bob but, thats ok.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Don't agree Bob but, thats ok.

You do understand that it's the hands coming together that "establishes" the set, right? So the pitcher has come set. He then starts, then stops. Read OBR 8.05 (a)

It would be hard to find a better example.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Don't agree Bob but, thats ok.

jicecone, in baseball there's much room for intelligent people to disagree. This play allows no such room. Black-letter rule balk.

[jicecone]

Dah me. After re-reading I am throughly convinced that the only one wrong here was me.

Sorry guys.