Pitching from the stretch
Question; OBR. Can a pitcher from the stretch have both hands together while taking the sign? Pitcher tonight was taking his sign with his hands together then bringing his hands closer to his body and pausing. Is this legal?
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No he cannot. This is considered a set position. During the stretch, his pitching hand must be at his side or behind him.
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Why would it be illegal to take the sign after the pitcher's hands come together? I can see a balk for a pause in motion, but that's about it. |
As described it is a balk for starting and stopping.
Once the hands are together and the pitcher stops moving/pauses, the pitcher is considered set. Any movement after that point must be a pitch (excluding such things as a throw to first). The OP described a pitcher getting set, then moving to re-set, that would be a balk for the re-set or start and stop, however you would like to describe it. There is nothing preventing a pitcher from getting set and then taking their sign. However it doesn't sound smart because any obvious adjustment at that point would be a balk. And it would take nerves of steal not to move for such a long time after taking each sign. Jasper |
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Mental pause
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"The pitcher following his stretch MUST........b. come to a complete stop." I don't have a balk here, as long as that pause is really a complete stop. |
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See that a lot in young players, no one has taught them the separate their hands. Thanks David |
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Exactly the point
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He starts with his hands together implies he balked when he stepped on the rubber. Don't do that. Now if he brings his hands together legally, ala starting with his hands together, while taking the sign and continues to the set position. Is it a balk? He may come to a complete stop, take the sign and then proceed with the delivery. He doesn't have to take the signs at all. Who is he deceiving by a small delay in his pitching motion? Let his pitching coach make that decision. |
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Double set = balk. If he is on the rubber, with hands together and completely stopped he is set. If he then moves hands and stops again he has double set. It is irrelevant when he got the sign. The balk is the double set.
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We are not required to determine if anyone was deceived, only to enforce the balk rules. |
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The criterion of determining whether F1's intent is deception (mentioned in OBR 8.05 but not in FED) is to be employed ONLY when the umpire is in doubt about whether F1 has balked. In this case, the umpire should be in no doubt whatsoever. Therefore F1's intent is irrelevant. |
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