FED Obstruction

[yawetag]

R1 gets 2B. You've quoted the rule yourself.

The rule is two-fold:
1. Award what you think the runner would have gotten.
2. If that award doesn't give the runner one base beyond his last-aquired base, give him one base.

Basically, OBS penalizes the defense everytime. In OBR, R1 would be allowed to remain on 1B (no award). However, Fed wants to prevent F3 from trying this on every play, so they give the runner the next base.

Edit: The rule allows the umpires to award more than one base. For example, speed-demon R1 with a base hit to the RF corner. You know that he'll make it home easily, as defense was shifted to LF. After rounds 2B, he's obstructed by F6. You can award R1 home on the play.

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by yawetag

R1 gets 2B. You've quoted the rule yourself.


Edit: The rule allows the umpires to award more than one base. For example, speed-demon R1 with a base hit to the RF corner. You know that he'll make it home easily, as defense was shifted to LF. After rounds 2B, he's obstructed by F6. You can award R1 home on the play.

Careful here. Let the play finish before deciding to award bases. If R1 is out at home by a fingernail, then yes, awarding home would seem to rectify the obstruction.
If R1 is tagged out half way to home, then no, the obstruction did not cause him to be out.
Biggest hang up on this is for us not to decide the award (protection) or punishment until the play is finished.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by ODJ

Careful here. Let the play finish before deciding to award bases. If R1 is out at home by a fingernail, then yes, awarding home would seem to rectify the obstruction.
If R1 is tagged out half way to home, then no, the obstruction did not cause him to be out.
Biggest hang up on this is for us not to decide the award (protection) or punishment until the play is finished.

Careful here.

How badly was the OBS? If I rule it was enough to be out halfway, then I could award home.

I do agree, though. The award should match what you think they would have gotten had the OBS not occurred. It also does not protect the runner after that base you would have awarded.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by ODJ

Careful here. Let the play finish before deciding to award bases. If R1 is out at home by a fingernail, then yes, awarding home would seem to rectify the obstruction.
If R1 is tagged out half way to home, then no, the obstruction did not cause him to be out.
Biggest hang up on this is for us not to decide the award (protection) or punishment until the play is finished.

Why are you complicating this thread? The thread is about R1 being obstructed while trying to return to 1st on a pickoff to 1st in a FED game. We are not talking about R1 going home or 3rd or scratching his butt while dancing the jig at 2nd. This is why these threads get so far out of hand. Stick to the subject, please.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Stick to the subject, please.

Alternatively, feel free to start a new thread.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE=yawetag;675523]

In OBR, R1 would be allowed to remain on 1B (no award).

Disagree

In the OP in OBR it would be considered Type "A" OBS. In Type "A" OBS the runner just like FED is automatically awarded one base beyond his position when obstructed EVEN THOUGH the runner was going back to first base.

It's OBR Type "B" that can result in no award

Pete Booth