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Old Thu Apr 29, 2010, 02:31pm
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Infield Fly?

Bases loaded and BR hits a pop fly behind the mound. Umpires did not call anything and let play continue. The ball dropped and when questioned the umpire said the ball wasn't "high enough" for IFR. I could understand "ordinary effort" not applying (the ball dropped after all) but had not heard of a height requirement before.

I've reviewed OBR and NFHS and could not find anything about height of the pop. Do you all typically look at height of the ball on pop flies when determining whether or not to call IFR?
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Old Thu Apr 29, 2010, 02:37pm
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Bases loaded and BR hits a pop fly behind the mound. Umpires did not call anything and let play continue. The ball dropped and when questioned the umpire said the ball wasn't "high enough" for IFR. I could understand "ordinary effort" not applying (the ball dropped after all) but had not heard of a height requirement before.

I've reviewed OBR and NFHS and could not find anything about height of the pop. Do you all typically look at height of the ball on pop flies when determining whether or not to call IFR?
Height does help determine whether it can be played with ordinary effort but a fly ball is a fly ball....I have heard that reasoning before and it drives me crazy.

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Old Thu Apr 29, 2010, 03:47pm
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The book definition of a fly ball is one that's hit high in the air. How "high" is "high"? Judgment call. And that's what the umpire should have said.
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Old Thu Apr 29, 2010, 08:17pm
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Bases loaded and BR hits a pop fly behind the mound. Umpires did not call anything and let play continue. The ball dropped and when questioned the umpire said the ball wasn't "high enough" for IFR. I could understand "ordinary effort" not applying (the ball dropped after all) but had not heard of a height requirement before.

I've reviewed OBR and NFHS and could not find anything about height of the pop. Do you all typically look at height of the ball on pop flies when determining whether or not to call IFR?
It appears nobody was in position to make a play on a pop fly ball behind the mound. Perhaps it was just a well placed infield hit and the umpires did not call anything, and correctly let the play continue, and one should be asking why it wasn't caught. That would help answer part of the question.
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Old Thu Apr 29, 2010, 08:50pm
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If it's high enough for me to think about calling it an infield fly, it's high enough to be an infield fly, I think.
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Old Thu Apr 29, 2010, 11:02pm
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If it's high enough for me to think about calling it an infield fly, it's high enough to be an infield fly, I think.
dash, are you stating this in general, or in response to the OP situation?
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Old Thu Apr 29, 2010, 11:04pm
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dash, are you stating this in general, or in response to the OP situation?
Both.
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Old Fri Apr 30, 2010, 01:08am
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If it's high enough for me to think about calling it an infield fly, it's high enough to be an infield fly, I think.
OK. Infield's playing for the bunt. F5 is very shallow, and pop fly is hit just inside the line, about 5' behind 3B. There was no way for F6 or F5 to get there. Do you call it?
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Old Fri Apr 30, 2010, 06:19am
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OK. Infield's playing for the bunt. F5 is very shallow, and pop fly is hit just inside the line, about 5' behind 3B. There was no way for F6 or F5 to get there. Do you call it?
Of course not. Do you?
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Old Fri Apr 30, 2010, 06:37am
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Of course not. Do you?
Of course not.

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If it's high enough for me to think about calling it an infield fly, it's high enough to be an infield fly, I think.
I probably read this as your general rule.
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Old Fri Apr 30, 2010, 07:22am
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Of course not.


I probably read this as your general rule.
It is my general rule to determine whether the first condition of an infield fly has been met - is it a fly ball? You're reading it as the only condition.
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It is my general rule to determine whether the first condition of an infield fly has been met - is it a fly ball? You're reading it as the only condition.
Actually, the first condition is placement of runners. Second is number of outs. Third is fly ball or not. Fourth is "ordinary effort."

I misunderstood your original post as being your only condition. I regarded you a bit more than that. I apologize. :P
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Old Fri Apr 30, 2010, 09:49am
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Actually, the first condition is placement of runners. Second is number of outs. Third is fly ball or not. Fourth is "ordinary effort."
The order is irrelevant. They are individually necessary and jointly sufficient for IFF.
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Old Fri Apr 30, 2010, 10:46am
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Actually, the first condition is placement of runners. Second is number of outs. Third is fly ball or not. Fourth is "ordinary effort."
Actually, the placement of the runners, as well as the number of outs, are stipulated, as the Infield Fly situation already exists. There is no need to think about these conditions during a play. The only real considerations are (a) sufficient arc to distinguish it from a line drive and (b) can it be caught with ordinary effort by an infielder.
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Old Fri Apr 30, 2010, 12:40pm
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It appears nobody was in position to make a play on a pop fly ball behind the mound. Perhaps it was just a well placed infield hit and the umpires did not call anything, and correctly let the play continue, and one should be asking why it wasn't caught. That would help answer part of the question.
SA - I agree with you and would have had no problem with a call/explanation that it couldn't have been called with ordinary effort because it did, in fact, drop (where our middle infielders were is a question for another day and many, many laps).

My main reason for asking the question was I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing some aspect of the rule that had a height requirement for the fly ball. It would seem there isn't, but that it factors into whether or not the ball can be caught with ordinary effort.
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