steal of home, strike 3

[newump]

R3, 2 outs. 0-2 count on batter. R3 steals home. slides in safely before the pitch crosses the plate for strike 3. does the run count?

does it matter when R3 took off for home?

i believe that if a runner steals a base and slides in safely to another base before a pitch is fouled off the runner must return because he had not reached the following base at the time of pitch. does this theory hold true in my scenerio? since R3 had not reached home at the time of the pitch is his run nullified?? or it is simply a time play? and since he crossed home before the ball crossed the plate - then run counts.

any rule citations would be appreciated. any differences between levels?? thanks

[dash_riprock]

You have it right. TOP. No run. Everywhere.

[Steven Tyler]

It never fails. Every April 15th, Jackie Robinson Day in MLB, they will always show him stealing home plate in the '55 World Series. And, every time Yogi Berra throws a fit when Jackie is called safe.

I don't know why Yogi is griping for as he committed catcher's interference on the play. He is almost standing on home plate as he catches the pitch.

I dunno, maybe that wasn't the rule back in them days.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by newump

any rule citations would be appreciated. any differences between levels?? thanks

Fed 9-1-1 Exception: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the third out is made as follows:
a. by the batter-runner before he touches first base

[UmpJM]

yawetag,

I find your cite pertinent.

What does "during action" mean, and how do we know?

JM

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

yawetag,

I find your cite pertinent.

What does "during action" mean, and how do we know?

JM

"During action" is while any of the given items occur. I think you're trying to go technical and say "If he scores before the 'action' of putting him out, it would go against the rule."

We'll go to the Case Book:

9.1.1G: R1 is on third with two outs and two strikes on B4. As F1 winds up, R1 starts to steal home. B4 swings and the ball but misses. Catcher drops ball. While he is looking for the ball, R1 crosses home plate, after which the catcher recovers the ball and throws B4 out at first. Does the run score?
RULING: No. The batter-runner made the third out without reaching first base safely.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by yawetag

"During action" is while any of the given items occur. I think you're trying to go technical and say "If he scores before the 'action' of putting him out, it would go against the rule."

I suspect that JM's point was not to ask when "during action" ends, but when it begins. It begins at the TOP, which in the case you cite is the first motion of the windup.

Unless a stealing R3 has acquired home before the pitcher begins the pitch, his run will not count when the batter strikes out on that pitch or is otherwise put out before reaching 1B.

Kinda what dash said...