Walk-off Walk Situation

[JJ]

All codes. Bases loaded, bottom of the last inning, TWO OUT, tie score. Batter gets a base on balls. He touches first, the runner from third touches home, but the runner who was on first peeled off to join the celebration without touching second. The defense appealed that the runner did not advance to second and instead abandoned his efforts to run the bases.

Does the run count?

Please cite rules and any other applicable comments (J/R, for example).

JJ

[UmpJM]

JJ,

OBR, the run scores. 4.09(b)

FED, the run does not.

NCAA...Damn, I can't remember!

JM

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by JJ

All codes. Bases loaded, bottom of the last inning, tie score. Batter gets a base on balls. He touches first, the runner from third touches home, but the runner who was on first peeled off to join the celebration without touching second. The defense appealed that the runner did not advance to second and instead abandoned his efforts to run the bases.

Does the run count?

Please cite rules and any other applicable comments (J/R, for example).

JJ

How many out?

If it wasn't the third out the run always scores.

[UmpJM]

I concur with Rich.

Shame on me, I was "assuming" two outs.

JM

[JJ]

Oops, my bad....two out. Potential game ender....

JJ

[GerryB]

I'm told that this was addressed at the Philadelphia meeting. It is no longer an appeal play. We are to rule R1 out only if he abandons the baseline prior to the run scoring.

[jkumpire]

Originally Posted by GerryB

I'm told that this was addressed at the Philadelphia meeting. It is no longer an appeal play. We are to rule R1 out only if he abandons the baseline prior to the run scoring.

I also heard that in Philly.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by GerryB

I'm told that this was addressed at the Philadelphia meeting. It is no longer an appeal play. We are to rule R1 out only if he abandons the baseline prior to the run scoring.

I was at the Dallas meeting and this was not extensively addressed. "It is no longer an appeal play" was never mentioned. That's why I posted the question. I'm hoping we see an AR either online or in next year's rule book.

JJ

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JJ

I was at the Dallas meeting and this was not extensively addressed. "It is no longer an appeal play" was never mentioned. That's why I posted the question. I'm hoping we see an AR either online or in next year's rule book.

JJ

I seem to recall an OBR interp (MLBUM or PBUS) where "abandonment" was a timing play, not a force play. And, since it usually happens after R3 crosses the plate, then the run counts and there's no need to get the out.

Of course, the defense can still appeal the missed base, and that might change the ruling.

(another possibility, of course, is that I'm mis-remembering this.)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I seem to recall an OBR interp (MLBUM or PBUS) where "abandonment" was a timing play, not a force play. And, since it usually happens after R3 crosses the plate, then the run counts and there's no need to get the out.

Of course, the defense can still appeal the missed base, and that might change the ruling.

(another possibility, of course, is that I'm mis-remembering this.)

In OBR, only the BR and U3 need to advance. I'll look it up later if I have to. FED it's just the opposite, all have to advance. Apparently there's been a change in NCAA and since I packed that in 2 years ago....

[tiger49]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

In OBR, only the BR and U3 need to advance. I'll look it up later if I have to. FED it's just the opposite, all have to advance. Apparently there's been a change in NCAA and since I packed that in 2 years ago....

R3? I don't see how U3's advancement has anything to do with this. Other than I he calls it correctly he may move up in ranking.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

In OBR, only the BR and U3 need to advance. I'll look it up later if I have to. FED it's just the opposite, all have to advance. Apparently there's been a change in NCAA and since I packed that in 2 years ago....

Yes, if it's a walk.

I was on the similar play where it's a "hit" when I answered.

My miistake

[TussAgee11]

Yup Bob, hit is a different scenario for sure. Merkle's boner!

Okay, I'll link what I'm talking about so you all don't get any ideas. Merkle's Boner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And to take it one step further, any base award that may end the game, the same situation applies. Just a runner touching home and a batter touching first will do. Unless its off a batted ball with a force play.