Another FED 2 Man Mechanics

[pastordoug]

I do understand the thinking behind already "being there" however I still believe that there is more of a probability of something happening around 1st (overthrow, pulled foot, 45 ft line....) which would serve the PU better to be over that way. Isn't the BU first concern with a play at 2nd anyway which means he shouldn't be moving towards 1st?
As for the way "pro" is teaching that mechanic I have not attended a pro camp but haven't seen to many pro games run a 2 man system? But sure appricate the comments.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by pastordoug

I do understand the thinking behind already "being there" however I still believe that there is more of a probability of something happening around 1st (overthrow, pulled foot, 45 ft line....) which would serve the PU better to be over that way. Isn't the BU first concern with a play at 2nd anyway which means he shouldn't be moving towards 1st?
As for the way "pro" is teaching that mechanic I have not attended a pro camp but haven't seen to many pro games run a 2 man system? But sure appricate the comments.

Pulled feet and swipe throws and other such squirrels are the job of the base umpire who is responsible for the call at first. As the plate umpire, I'll look if I have absolutely nothing to do, but all other responsibilities come first. Period.

Life would be so much easier on umpires who work hard to get into proper position if more umpires would simply say "No, I won't get help. It's my call to make, I saw it, and that's that."

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE=pastordoug;658493]

I do understand the thinking behind already "being there" however I still believe that there is more of a probability of something happening around 1st (overthrow, pulled foot, 45 ft line....) which would serve the PU better to be over that way. Isn't the BU first concern with a play at 2nd anyway which means he shouldn't be moving towards 1st?

If something is happening around first base that call belongs to the BU. The BU should not be looking at the PU as a crutch. If the BU is having trouble with the swipe tag / pulled foot then they need to work on their mechanics.

In a 2 person system we sacrifice distance for angle so on a play at second base the BU cannot over commit.

Also, as I stated to you in FED there is the FPSR.

In FED, it is the responsibilty of the PU to look for possible interference at second base so when we have R1 and the ball is hit in the infield after Fair / Foul the PU should be moving towards the mound or what's more commonly termed "the Library" in case a play is made at second base.

In your OP F5 threw to F3 so the PU can now move to cover third base. If the ball is overthrown the Pu should have no trouble in adjusting.

I am with Rich. BU's need to start being responsible for THEIR own calls and not rely on the PU. The PU already has plenty of responsibilities in a 2 person system.

IMO, the reason you are having trouble understanding this mechanic or disagree with this mechanic is because you want the PU to "be there" on a play at first should there be a swipe tag / pulled foot and IMO the BU needs to make this call PERIOD. Also, since we have a throw coming from 3rd base for all practical purposes the 45 ft lane rule is moot.

Pete Booth

[pastordoug]

There's a couple of reasons for my "resistance" and he most likely is not using that particular mechanic in previous state.... Having said that my real issue is just wanting both PU and BU to be in the BEST position that 2 man allows...

Concerning distance and angle, while we knowing lose distance as a result of just 2 man, IMO we can gain both by being in the best position which of course varies from play to play....

Thanks.... BTW does your association practice that rotation?

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by pastordoug

haven't seen to many pro games run a 2 man system?

True, but they teach 2 man at the pro schools. Short season, A-ball - all 2 man. You have to be able to do 2 man before you can do 3 or 4 man. So that's what they teach.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

True, but they teach 2 man at the pro schools. Short season, A-ball - all 2 man. You have to be able to do 2 man before you can do 3 or 4 man. So that's what they teach.

Let's also not forget that most of the students don't even make it to Short Season ball. I don't know of a state that uses 3- or 4-man for regular season high school games, and I don't think college uses it in anything but Div 1, but I could be wrong.