Partner Not Willing To Take Care of Business

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

What is a signal for a rotation? I've never heard of one.

I just use the verbal, "I've got third if he goes". If the runner goes I use the verbal, "I've got third, I've got third".

BU should know in advance of a possible rotation.

Umpires use hand signals so that we are on the same page concerning rotations etc. Surprised you never heard of this.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Umpires use hand signals so that we are on the same page concerning rotations etc. Surprised you never heard of this.

I've used hand signals. I just wasn't quite clear what was a 1st/3rd rotation signal was. The "Hang Ten" has probaly been flashed to me by the more experienced umps. I've just never heard of it during a pre-game.

I know my rotations, so I never looked for a sign. It's good to refresh my memory about this signal. I'll start to look for it in the future.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

I've used hand signals. I just wasn't quite clear what was a 1st/3rd rotation signal was. The "Hang Ten" has probaly been flashed to me by the more experienced umps. I've just never heard of it during a pre-game.

I know my rotations, so I never looked for a sign. It's good to refresh my memory about this signal. I'll start to look for it in the future.

Or the plate guy can just point to 3rd. Remember why hand signals are given - they are to remind your partner AND yourself what the situation is. Even if I know the situation, and know that my partner knows the situation, I'll still give a hand signal ahead of the first pitch to the next batter. I also will hollar when things actually happen, but if it's a noisy crowd my partner may not hear me...a hand sign ahead of time keeps the crew "in the game".

JJ

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JJ

Or the plate guy can just point to 3rd. Remember why hand signals are given - they are to remind your partner AND yourself what the situation is. Even if I know the situation, and know that my partner knows the situation, I'll still give a hand signal ahead of the first pitch to the next batter. I also will hollar when things actually happen, but if it's a noisy crowd my partner may not hear me...a hand sign ahead of time keeps the crew "in the game".

JJ

I was told by a recent pro school grad and longtime D1 umpire that the schools are now teaching both umpires to signal their respective coverages. He said that the PU in this case should signal the outs with the right hand, and simultaneously point to 3rd with the left, signifying that he has R1 at third on a hit to the outfield. The BU should signal the outs with the right hand and point to 1st to signify that he has the BR on the play.

He corrected me after our game and said that by my using the old-school signal of waggling both the left and right index fingers for 1st and 3rd, I was telling him I had both 1st and 3rd. I said that I know where I'm supposed to be and where the PU is supposed to be, so what's the big deal. He said that whenever I work with him he wants it done that way

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I was told by a recent pro school grad and longtime D1 umpire that the schools are now teaching both umpires to signal their respective coverages. He said that the PU in this case should signal the outs with the right hand, and simultaneously point to 3rd with the left, signifying that he has R1 at third on a hit to the outfield. The BU should signal the outs with the right hand and point to 1st to signify that he has the BR on the play.

I don't know which school he attended, but as recently as last year, this was not what was taught at Evans. The signal taught there showed both the number or outs and the base covered with the right hand only by both PU and BU.

The right arm is bent a little less than 90 degrees at the elbow resulting in the forearm in front of the stomach and the right hand pointing in the direction of the base covered while displaying the number of outs.

[kylejt]

We use a ton of hand signals in LL for a couple of reasons. First, it's a reminder for the lesser experienced umpires. A non-verbal reminder of who goes where, and why. Plus, on the small field, two man crews, and R1, it's the PU's call if he's taking third, or staying home.

Back on topic. If my partner is taking grief, and I think, for whatever reason, that I need to step in, I'll take a position on the line near the coach. Without looking at the offender, I'll use his name, and shut him down "Okay Jim, that's enough", in just a loud enough voice that the crowd doesn't hear me. If he takes issue with it, then it's me and him, and I'll deal with it directly.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

I don't know which school he attended, but as recently as last year, this was not what was taught at Evans. The signal taught there showed both the number or outs and the base covered with the right hand only by both PU and BU.

The right arm is bent a little less than 90 degrees at the elbow resulting in the forearm in front of the stomach and the right hand pointing in the direction of the base covered while displaying the number of outs.

Yeah, maybe that's what he meant, to use the right hand only. Either way it's a foreign concept to me.

[RPatrino]

Right hand, left hand? Who knows? It's important to let your partner(s) know what you are doing, in my opinion. I worked the plate in a 4 man game, no one on. The ball was hit in the gap, U2 goes to follow, BR rounds 1b heading toward 2nd. I rotate up to 3rd and end up standing next to U3 in the coaches box. Throw and runner arrive at 2b, but there is no one there to make the call. I nudge U3 and tell him to start walking toward 2b and make a call. He shrugs his shoulders and all hell breaks loose. We call a 4 umpire confab and finally make a call.

Moral of the story, make sure everyone knows that you are ALL going to do in the pre-game. Then signal or verbally tell each other during the game.